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Re: I am burned out while still in learning phase

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You're burning out because you're thinking the world works the same way that you experience it through lenses like Hacker News, tech blogs and the like. Stop reading them. Seriously, they are damaging your world view - ESPECIALLY HACKER NEWS. If you can't read these things with a critical eye, you will end up in a death spiral where you feel constantly inadaquate. I speak from some personal experience here... Turn of…

You will not change the world with a web app. No one changes the world with a web app. Or an android app. Or an iPhone app. There's no need to lie. The advice is otherwise good. The world is vast and has many places that need smart people. Find those places, adapt to what they need and start solving problems in the way you can The world is built to exploit smart people. I personally think they should focus on themsel…

I don't think it's a lie. Most web apps will not change the world. As a community, I think we should be okay with that.

Mike Judd was interviewed recently about Silicon Valley, his new show, and he remarks about the difference between Hollywood and the valley:

Silicon Valley, more even now than when I was there, they’re always talking about how they’re making the world a better place. And maybe in some ways they are, but it’s just funny. Like the richest, most successful people in our business, in Hollywood — just picking an example, J.J. Abrams or [producer] Joel Silver — they’re like, you know, "I want to make really cool stuff. I love what I do." They’re not saying "I’m saving the world through my movies."

While I don't think the comparison to Hollywood of all places is apt I do understand the spirit of what he's saying. Why can't we just enjoy what we do instead of kill ourselves trying so desperately to impress everybody else?

Perhaps that fact alone is enough to lead to serious burnout.

http://www.theverge.com/2014/3/14/5496482/mike-judge-silicon...

Re: I am burned out while still in learning phase

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Just adding my $.02 here: "Even the concept of Prolog seems hard for me to understand." Don't let that little item discourage you. I've been in the software business since 1974. The concept of Prolog is hard to understand. There's a lot of concepts in our business that are hard to understand...and that's not a failing on your part. Learning to live with what you don't know, and developing strategies for selecting wha…

I’ve found the explanation in SICP the most helpful one. It took several weeks until I could think in the basics of this language sufficiently fluently.

http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/electrical-engineering-and-comput...

http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/full-text/sicp/book/node92.html

Re: I am burned out while still in learning phase

#83

You're burning out because you're thinking the world works the same way that you experience it through lenses like Hacker News, tech blogs and the like. Stop reading them. Seriously, they are damaging your world view - ESPECIALLY HACKER NEWS. If you can't read these things with a critical eye, you will end up in a death spiral where you feel constantly inadaquate. I speak from some personal experience here... Turn of…

You will not change the world with a web app. No one changes the world with a web app. Or an android app. Or an iPhone app. There's no need to lie. The advice is otherwise good. The world is vast and has many places that need smart people. Find those places, adapt to what they need and start solving problems in the way you can The world is built to exploit smart people. I personally think they should focus on themsel…

>You will not change the world with a web app. No one changes the world with a web app. Or an android app. Or an iPhone app.

I would assume that the author meant that "you will not change the world with [only] a web app. No one changes the world with [only] a web app..."

Re: I am burned out while still in learning phase

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I can imagine in what a position you are in, you see all the potential in the world, a lot of these world problems unresolved and you want to make a lot of money quickly.

Just realise yourself that becoming a billionnaire overnight is impossible, it seems like you want to do too much in too short time. When you have the feeling that you can't get anything done and that you aren't performing of what you should be performing at that time, you're stuck in an inner circle of dissappointment for yourself, whatever you are doing it will never be good enough. The best thing you can do is to take a step back and just do nothing for a while, it just doesn't seem best to put this much pressure on yourself. Maybe it's not for you but it helped for me, start to meditate and just know that you can't do x amount of things at the same time.

Being a hacker is good and all but a good product just takes a lot of time and effort. The design has to fit, the functionality has to just be right, these are things that you really can't handle on your own or in a short period of time. I would really advise you to study or work a day to day job and try to earn money with making things that you like to make until you regain mental stability. It's also a good way to come in contact with interesting people.

When you would find a day to day job, try to make a living and save up for when you want to make a product.

Re: I am burned out while still in learning phase

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I think its important to realize that is can take years to reach a goal, maybe 10, maybe 15. Many people work to change or better the world for their entire lives while only viewing change in the smallest ways. It's not a realistic expectation that you will generate something world changing in the span of a year, or even two. So to be happier you need to learn how to enjoy yourself while you work and learn, whatever it takes.

Learning how to manage yourself and your life is one of the greatest keys to completing a project. If you are successful in your world changing idea, but you have not learned to manage yourself, how are you going to manage other people? Start out by training yourself as a manager with your first employee - yourself. You would not want a boss that worked you night and day with unrealistic expectations. So - don't be that boss. You can be hard, but reward yourself too. And give yourself the time it takes to really learn.

Personally happiness for me includes going to the gym daily, sleeping well, eating well, and seeing family. And I'm getting closer to some of my goals than ever before. When I worked myself late into the night and didn't eat well, I actually saw my goals slipping away since I was no longer managing myself in a direction that would actually bring about the goals I had set. Maybe I was chasing after short term deadlines, but not really striving toward life goals. Now after 14 years of programming I am coming back to some of my original ideas with a totally different perspective that actually holds a lot more real world value.

Re: I am burned out while still in learning phase

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From your text it's clear to me that you're not "burned out", you are depressed. Social isolation triggered it, and now you feel like a failure because your thinking habits are diseased.

Usually when we fail at something we make excuses such as "I wasn't prepared for this" or "I just needed more time". Most of the time these excuses are reasonable, other times they are delusional. No matter the validity, excuses protect your self-esteem and psychological well-being.

When you put yourself in an environment where there are simply no excuses you are in full responsibility of your actions. When you fail, the only logical conclusion is that you're stupid, not fit for the job, a deluded loser.

An environment where you have full control over the variables implies that there is no other person meddling with it. Control requires isolation, but us human beings were never meant to be completely isolated and it takes a heavy toll on our well-being.

I personally worked myself out of this hole by giving my depression some meaning. Before I was proud of my skills, fiercely independent, even a bit arrogant. Going through this allowed me to really appreciate the value of my friendships and family. It allowed me to see the importance of relaxing, enjoying and exploring life. It made me humble and sympathetic towards other peoples struggles. Had you written this one year ago I would have told you "man up and get your shit together".

Above all, it allowed me to deeply explore my inner self and feel at ease with my short-comings. I am much more lenient towards myself and others. I feel more "in reality".

I think the process of healing is deeply personal, your demons are surely not the same as mine. Just rest assured that the end of the journey is a world brighter than it was before.

Re: I am burned out while still in learning phase

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I did quit my phd project half a year ago, and quite a bit of what you are writing reminds me of the time before I did quit. So first of all, you are not alone with this experience. Others were there before, and sadly others will encounter that dark place in the future. On the bright side, the half year since I quit was a really great time.

So it sounds, like you are making mistakes, because you made mistakes. The advice stop that is probably not really helpful, but you need to stop it somehow. For me it was a long struggle to first understand why nothing is working like it should, followed by a long struggle to pull myself together again and finally taking control of my situation, which meant quitting in my case.

    Like you, I also have "world changing" ideas to make people's 
    lives easier and healthier, [...]
Frankly, comparing your accomplishments to the HN front page is a recipe for disaster. Thing is, most people will never get to the front page with a Show HN post, and even those who do worked a long time on these projects. There is simply no one who gets to the front page week after week on the strength of quick hacks.

    More than that I repeatedly had to tell lie to family 
    and girlfriend about my college- that I am still going classes. 
Stop that, apologize for lying and tell them the situation you are in. The situation will not improve if you do not have a good social safety net. On the other hand, they care for you, they will try to help you.

Looking again through your text, it seems to me that you hope for a quick fix. Unfortunately there is no such thing, never. It is a struggle day after day and accomplishments can only be evaluated in hindsight, sometimes you underestimate the time a project will take usually you overestimate and the roads not taken only look good because you never encountered the roadblocks on them. My advice would be, take two or three weeks of, try to understand your situation, and try to start getting better. Do not finish anything in this time frame.

If you need someone to talk to, feel free to send me an email. My email address is in my profile.

Re: I am burned out while still in learning phase

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It's all been said by the other commentators, but I'd just like to add something: it's true you're not a "Mark Zuckerberg" or "Steve Jobs", but you must realise that little did they know themselves they would achieve such success.

People who succeed at any level (Zuckerberg or Jobs included, but perhaps even the baker down the street, or a teacher, or an actor) rarely let complicated life goals get in their way; on the contrary, they just have their ideas and begin implementing them because they let the ideas themselves motivate them -- not the goals they'd like to achieve in the long run.

It is a sort of a mental cancer to let yourself be ruled by your expectations rather than your desires. The good thing is: you already know how to change it. Talk to other people, don't be afraid to disappoint them (and absolutely do that if you must), trust your intellect and respect your feelings.

Re: I am burned out while still in learning phase

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post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You will not change the world with a web app. No one changes the world with a web app. Or an android app. Or an iPhone app. There's no need to lie. The advice is otherwise good. The world is vast and has many places that need smart people. Find those places, adapt to what they need and start solving problems in the way you can The world is built to exploit smart people. I personally think they should focus on themsel…

>You will not change the world with a web app. No one changes the world with a web app. Or an android app. Or an iPhone app. I would assume that the author meant that "you will not change the world with [only] a web app. No one changes the world with [only] a web app..."

Fair enough - that's a good amendment.

My point is that no one will ever change the world with a bit of software. Software is not revolutionary. The processes it describes, and the people it influences, THOSE are what is revolutionary.

The printing press was NOT revolutionary. It enabled revolution, sure, but the tool or the tech itself was not the important part in the grand scheme.

Too much of what I see on this site focuses passion for the tech (which I am all for), mixed with blind ignorance for it's actual importance outside of the very narrow world that is Silicon Valley.

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