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Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit

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Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit

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the dude going back and deleting her code after the rejection seems pretty hostile to me.

Good point. What probably needed to happen was whoever was in charge of that project should have recognized these two employees now didn't get along, and reassigned one or both of them away from the project.

Guy also probably deserved a good reprimand. Messing with code because of personal issues is a great way to tank your reputability as a developer.

Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit

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This sounds less like sexism and more just non-sexist batshit crazy people and incompetent HR. Somehow that isn't particularly better.

I think the implication is that none of this would have happened, or at least would not have been tolerated, if she was male. And it sound like the basis of her relationship with the founder's wife being "crazy" was that she was a female employee. So I'd say sexism played a significant role here.

Uhm, it was female on female. Is male on male intimidation, sexism? Because men are the primary victims of violence, and their sex being highly relevant to that, is that sexist? I don't think you would say that in this case it is.

Not to say there can't be girl/women on girl/women sexism.

Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit

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Well here we go Github-gate. Sigh... Regardless of the truth, just based on allegations, and what they'll stir, this will probably create a big mess. I can't see who can possibly win in this case.

If the situation with the one founder who is injecting outside people into power is resolved, I would say everyone in the company wins (assuming the picture painted in the article is accurate).

Well, actually that is a pretty positive way to look at it. Good point.

Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit

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The problem with the founder's wife sounds like a very one sided account of your standard interpersonal conflict. Everyone who has ever been in one of those has at some point claimed themselves to be a saint and their opponent a demon. The alleged sexism seems to be primarily imaginary. The anonymous posting that so upset her and precipitated all of this said: > has a history of RAGINING against any professional crit…

A good thumb rule to apply to verify whether something is about sexism is to think whether things would have played out differently if the sex of the victim was different. Do you still think in this case the alleged sexism is imaginary ? Hard to say but I'd lean towards thinking that is Julie was a guy the problem with the founder's wife wouldn't get this bad - so, IMHO, yes, this is about sexism.

Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit

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Two women [...] were hula hooping to some music. [...] What I did have a problem with is the line of men sitting on one bench facing the hoopers and gawking at them. It looked like something out of a strip club. When I brought this up to male coworkers, they didn’t see a problem with it.

I don't see a problem with it. One does not "hula hoop" in a place of work if one does not want to be looked at.

Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit

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post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the implication is that none of this would have happened, or at least would not have been tolerated, if she was male. And it sound like the basis of her relationship with the founder's wife being "crazy" was that she was a female employee. So I'd say sexism played a significant role here.

Uhm, it was female on female. Is male on male intimidation, sexism? Because men are the primary victims of violence, and their sex being highly relevant to that, is that sexist? I don't think you would say that in this case it is. Not to say there can't be girl/women on girl/women sexism.

> Not to say there can't be girl on girl [sic] sexism.

True, but since the "girls" under discussion are both in fact women, that would be sexism by definition.

Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit

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The likelihood she's lying is next to zero. You don't really make these things up...

HN really needs a reply bot that links to the appropriate wikipedia article on logical fallacies.

I think that would just get out of hand. Also, HN being all human comments is actually rather refreshing, compared to the rest of the Internet.

Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit

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I don't think this was an instance of institutionalized sexism. Rather, the founder's wife seems like an unbalanced individual, and nobody effectively set any boundaries. The other founders and HR seemed unaware or unable to set the situation to right. As for her romantically inclined co-worker -- I don't see how his behavior qualifies as sexist or hostile. Merely a bit clueless, but isn't it to be expected that empl…

the dude going back and deleting her code after the rejection seems pretty hostile to me.

its super hostile. i would hope there are logs for this - but i wouldn't be surprised if there were none.

as said higher it seems highly possible that she has no proof of anything - which means, if she's actually honest, she can't do much (except contacting a bunch of news sites and trying to make a big story out of it)

imagine this "i did all this work but someone deleted it! worked 2 weeks on it!" while in fact you were eating donuts ;-)

the problem is proof, when you have these allegations. if she has proof, then, she should sue them.

Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit

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post #64

I don't think this was an instance of institutionalized sexism. Rather, the founder's wife seems like an unbalanced individual, and nobody effectively set any boundaries. The other founders and HR seemed unaware or unable to set the situation to right. As for her romantically inclined co-worker -- I don't see how his behavior qualifies as sexist or hostile. Merely a bit clueless, but isn't it to be expected that empl…

Why are you making excuses for these people? What purpose does it serve?

I'm especially shocked to see you trivialise the actions of the jilted engineer. Reverting someone else's work without explanation is a blatantly hostile and disrespectful act that should be treated seriously in isolation, and is made more serious still in the context of the inappropriate sexual stuff.

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