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What I learned from an unfortunate incident with the NYPD

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Re: What I learned from an unfortunate incident with the NYPD

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Post by auctiontheory »

learc83 wrote: post #67
WildUtah wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Perhaps it's resentment of the widening income gap between 20-30 somethings in the tech industry and those in the service industry?" Maybe. Because of the billionaire big winner image, people outside the industry see techies as very well off. In fact, cops make a lot more on average -- benefits included -- than techies or programmers or engineers. In big American cities, cops are paid similar total compensation to d…

Those numbers don't sound right at all. Bureau of Labor Statistics says the median is 55k. http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes333051.htm Since you said NY is stingy, I tried other big cities. Here's a list of Chicago PD salaries. https://data.cityofchicago.org/Administration-Finance/Police... The only people on that list with a salary of 125k are ranked captain and above. Here's the LAPD salary schedule. http://per.la…

This Menlo Park police officer makes $133K in base salary, i.e. before overtime: http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_22382095/menlo-park-police-off...

That is significantly higher than the per-capita income in Menlo Park: http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/06/0646870.html

Re: What I learned from an unfortunate incident with the NYPD

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Post by mschuster91 »

nickfarr wrote: post #60
rdl wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I posted it because it's Sunday and there wasn't much going on. I wouldn't put it up as one of the finest HN submissions ever, but I think there's some value in "this could happen to you" and "this is what you should do if". The piece itself was well written and relatively apolitical and non-threatening. The "tech" aspect is the "fsck the police" part -- I think Nick is going to go into some ways to use technology to…

I didn't put it in the article precisely because I didn't want the shift in focus--but this incident made me think a lot harder about wearing my Google Glass again. That being said, there's absolutely no reason that cops should not have a camera on them at all times. It's more for their benefit than ours. As far as technologies that reliably work, the stop-and-frisk app is actually quite good, but requires practice l…

Oh, a Glass would actually be pretty useful. Make a photo every 10-30 seconds and automatically upload it to a secure server (offshore). Then, give the access credentials to your lawyer.

If you get arrested the lawyer can download the last photos.

Re: What I learned from an unfortunate incident with the NYPD

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Post by conformal »

fuck the police. they are just another gang and do little to stop real crime in most urban areas. i would venture to say that police actually facilitate more crime than they prevent on the average.

in chicago, i have never received anything from a police officer besides disrespect and questionable tickets.

i am very excited for the next 20 years since i predict we will see the end of human policing and instead have robotic law enforcement.

Re: What I learned from an unfortunate incident with the NYPD

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Post by codygman »

herbig wrote: post #68

I'd like to create a mobile app where users can input a badge number. If the number already exists, you get the existing profile, if it doesn't, a new profile is created, from which you can upvote or downvote the officer, add a name or picture, and write a review. Other users can upvote or downvote reviews as well. The other part of the app would be a top 10 list of the best officers in NYC, and a top 10 worst office…

I actually have a project in mind that would incorporate this.

Re: What I learned from an unfortunate incident with the NYPD

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Post by NAFV_P »

chimeracoder wrote: post #7

> “Is that a Muslim or Hipster beard?” by a crew of three NYPD officers in Times Square. I'm very curious to hear the full story behind this one. On a separate note - I used to work in Chelsea[0]. Two or three days of the week, as I was leaving the subway, I would see NYPD questioning and/or frisking a young, black man or women. I saw this happen for months, and never once was the person being questioned/frisked whit…

> NEVER ask a police officer for his/her badge number. Look for it and try to memorize if you want, but don't let them know you're trying to learn it.

A perfect use for google-glass.

Re: What I learned from an unfortunate incident with the NYPD

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Post by NAFV_P »

conformal wrote: post #83

fuck the police. they are just another gang and do little to stop real crime in most urban areas. i would venture to say that police actually facilitate more crime than they prevent on the average. in chicago, i have never received anything from a police officer besides disrespect and questionable tickets. i am very excited for the next 20 years since i predict we will see the end of human policing and instead have r…

> i am very excited for the next 20 years since i predict we will see the end of human policing and instead have robotic law enforcement.

http://jeremiahlambert.deviantart.com/art/ED-209-June-12-Dai...

Re: What I learned from an unfortunate incident with the NYPD

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Post by herbig »

schackbrian wrote: post #80
herbig wrote: post #68

I'd like to create a mobile app where users can input a badge number. If the number already exists, you get the existing profile, if it doesn't, a new profile is created, from which you can upvote or downvote the officer, add a name or picture, and write a review. Other users can upvote or downvote reviews as well. The other part of the app would be a top 10 list of the best officers in NYC, and a top 10 worst office…

Like this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RateMyCop.com

Yeah, but a mobile app with better design.

Re: What I learned from an unfortunate incident with the NYPD

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Post by cryoshon »

kevinskii wrote: post #50
cup wrote: post #12

This has been the third article on HN recently about the police. Historically it has been minority groups that only see this side of police activity. Now that upper middle class white individuals have experienced it though Its interesting to read the comments people are leaving. For the record: I believe his advice is terrible for any person of lower socio economic background and especially for a person of colour. Th…

> The number 1 rule when interacting with police should be you have no rights. As a former Los Angeles sheriff's deputy who agrees with the majority of sentiments in this thread, I can confidently say that your broad statement is nonsense. Everyone, not just upper middle class whites, should know and assert their rights in police encounters.

You've never actually seen people assert their rights when talking to police, huh?

I think the correct phrase for this situation is, "you can beat the charge, but you can't beat the ride."

Police get all ornery when there's any kind of perceived challenge to their authority.

Re: What I learned from an unfortunate incident with the NYPD

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Post by cryoshon »

spiritplumber wrote: post #38

Cops should be treated like muggers. Move slowly, make your body language indicate that you are not wanting a fight, speak clearly and ask the other person to also speak clearly, and be ready to bolt if the opportunity arises. American cops must be dealt with using de-escalation techniques.

Yeah, no kidding. Also, keep your hands out of your pockets and make sure you are not holding anything lest they "mistake" it for a weapon, which would justify your death to both them Anything else and they go into a rage and you'll end up in jail.

It's especially tough because their only training is to escalate further at any provocation.

Re: What I learned from an unfortunate incident with the NYPD

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Post by logfromblammo »

spiritplumber wrote: post #37
logfromblammo wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I go to "CopBlock" and "Photography is Not a Crime" for these sorts of stories. The general advice there is to start recording immediately, keep your mouth shut, and use a save-to-the-cloud video app like Bambuser so the fuzz can't erase your footage.

However, DO offer to hand over the SD card. And keep a dummy SD card between the battery and the back cover for this purpose. It is also useful for generic SD card duty anyway, and costs like $5.

No, you don't offer anything. You keep your mouth shut until they tell you to hand it over.

If they seize and search your property without warrant or reasonable suspicion that you used it to commit a crime, and commit spoliation of evidence by deleting video or images from it, they can be held accountable later. If you give it up voluntarily without them even asking, you are not helping anybody.

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