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Re: “Dear subscriber, you are registered as a participant in a mass disturbance.”

#81
Not to take away from the story, because it's downright awful, but in Ukraine, most phones use pay as you go burner sims. That's what I used when I went there. I picked a sim card up for $1.

My point is that fortunately, most of those phones are not tied to you and your social security number like phones in America.

Re: “Dear subscriber, you are registered as a participant in a mass disturbance.”

#83
post #5

Well at least they notify first. US police would just start beating you and throwing you into pens, if you are lucky you won't get coated in pepper spray or hit by a sound cannon. Watch the DNC and RNC conventions next year for examples with their multi-million dollar taxpayer funded "security". But I guess this indicates police everywhere can now just record the phone numbers of everyone in the area to mark people f…

I know! In the US you have "free speech" zones. You can get fenced in and say whatever you like. How is that any better? We have governments that are entrenched and don't want to change. They use their powers and then the majority of people are shocked when they find out.

I don't think the world has changed much since WWII, just that the crimes are more nuanced and better hidden.

Re: “Dear subscriber, you are registered as a participant in a mass disturbance.”

#84
post #82

Ukraine is a democracy. Why not vote for the other guy next time? How does it make sense to go out and burn and break things instead.

Because it isn’t really a democracy; the amount of corruption hasn’t really changed at all since The Orange Revolution[1].

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Revolution

Re: “Dear subscriber, you are registered as a participant in a mass disturbance.”

#85
post #79
post #63

"Always leave a way out, unless you really want to find out how hard a man can fight when he's nothing to lose." (The Wheel of Time) The reddit thread has a lot of good comments actually: http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1vtpa8/dear_subsc...

that idea comes from art of war

Yep, from Sun Tzu's Art of War:

"When you surround an army, leave an outlet free. Do not press a desperate foe too hard."

-- http://classics.mit.edu/Tzu/artwar.html

I think this is also the first time I've heard it quoted in an appropriate context, as opposed to business blabla.

Re: “Dear subscriber, you are registered as a participant in a mass disturbance.”

#86
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My friend (I don't know him in person, we work together remotely) told me that he has 3 cell phones: one at home, one at the work-place and one always turned-off in his car (for emergency). He doesn't wear a cell phone with him. When someone wants to contact him he/she calls him on one of his home/work phones judging from the day time, if he doesn't answer the call he calls back when he reaches home/work place and se…

Or you could just, you know, not carry a radio-transmitter on you while committing some possibly illegal/disruptive activity?

Just turn it off?

Re: “Dear subscriber, you are registered as a participant in a mass disturbance.”

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post #79
post #63

"Always leave a way out, unless you really want to find out how hard a man can fight when he's nothing to lose." (The Wheel of Time) The reddit thread has a lot of good comments actually: http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1vtpa8/dear_subsc...

that idea comes from art of war

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Re: “Dear subscriber, you are registered as a participant in a mass disturbance.”

#88
post #81

Not to take away from the story, because it's downright awful, but in Ukraine, most phones use pay as you go burner sims. That's what I used when I went there. I picked a sim card up for $1. My point is that fortunately, most of those phones are not tied to you and your social security number like phones in America.

Changing SIMs might be useless, since the carrier can track phones by their unique IMEI ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imei ) and when you use another SIM on the same phone to talk/chat to your friends, 'gov sigint' can use that information to get to you.

Re: “Dear subscriber, you are registered as a participant in a mass disturbance.”

#90

This is just a cellular version of a guy with a megaphone calling on people to disperse. BTS is the megaphone. The problem is not in the technology. It isn't even all that useful to the regime. They already know where the protesters are. The problem, as always, is in the baton they hold in the other hand.

It's not an issue of where the protesters are, it's who the protesters are. I'm getting increasingly concerned that (USA in particular) police focus on staying out of the way and, so long as things don't escalate much, letting the situation run its course ... while documenting the participants by any means, so they can be individually & quietly apprehended & prosecuted later. Cell phone metadata, face recognition fro…

> while documenting the participants by any means, so they can be individually & quietly apprehended & prosecuted later.

Has this happened?

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