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Announcing the Female Founders Conference (March 1)

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Re: Announcing the Female Founders Conference (March 1)

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Post by rimantas »

imgabe wrote: post #74
rimantas wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

having separate bathrooms is not discrimination. Having bathroom only for one gender would be.

Again, there are two different meanings of the word discriminate. Having different bathrooms is discriminating between the genders. Treating them differently. Having bathrooms for one gender and not the other would be discriminating against that gender.

No, there are two word, discrimination and segregation. Men having a bathroom and women not (or vice versa) would be discrimination: one have bathroom, other don't. In having separate bathrooms men have a bathroom and women have a bathroom, no discrimination there.

Re: Announcing the Female Founders Conference (March 1)

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Post by amirmc »

nhangen wrote: post #47
soneca wrote: post #30

I'm assuming some HNers are soon to arrive saying things like "why does it matter that a founder is a female?", "why make an excluding event? isn't it sexism all the same", "imagine if someone make a 'male founders conference'?" I would like to ask you to think for a moment, before raising this concerns (I am not bothering here to debate with haters, only with those who are genuinely concerned that this might sexism…

My only concern with events like this is that males could also learn from female founders advice and experiences. It just seems like a loss to forcefully segregate the audience. I would love to attend an event that featured a female only stage. It would be a refreshing change from the current conference lineup.

It's more than just about female founders. I'm sure there are many male founders out there who'd like to ensure that the organisations they're building are places where female employees would be happy. It can be difficult to get that perspective but the info from events like this could be valuable.

In time (assuming this event is as successful as I expect it will be), then putting more female founders and early employees on stage at their other events will help further.

Edit: Apparently it's going to be streamed [1] so I assume that will be open to all. Looking forward to it.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7097557*

Re: Announcing the Female Founders Conference (March 1)

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Post by dragonwriter »

rimantas wrote: post #81
imgabe wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again, there are two different meanings of the word discriminate. Having different bathrooms is discriminating between the genders. Treating them differently. Having bathrooms for one gender and not the other would be discriminating against that gender.

No, there are two word, discrimination and segregation. Men having a bathroom and women not (or vice versa) would be discrimination: one have bathroom, other don't. In having separate bathrooms men have a bathroom and women have a bathroom, no discrimination there.

Segregation on an axis requires discrimination on the same axis (if you don't make distinctions, you can't separate.)

Re: Announcing the Female Founders Conference (March 1)

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Post by hythloday »

nawitus wrote: post #18

I'm against these, because I'm against gender discrimination. Gender discrimination means that one gender is treated differently from another. It's also interesting to know whether transwomen will be allowed. Some radical feminists only accept 'born as women' to their conferences. And if transwomen are accepted, what's their definition of that.

"I'm against gender discrimination"

Do you believe that no gender discrimination in favour of men occurs in the rest of the industry? Are you against any particular act of discrimination that you happen to witness, or are you stating a preference for a system in which no discrimination occurs?

(I, too, am against gender discrimination, which is why I am for these.)

Re: Announcing the Female Founders Conference (March 1)

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Post by rimantas »

epi8 wrote: post #44
loceng wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you trying to imply two wrongs makes a right?

I don't know about the person to whom you are replying, but in my opinion, in this case, two wrongs make a right, if you can call hosting a conference aimed at an under-represented group a "wrong". Sure, in a perfect world, we wouldn't want or need such conferences, but in this world, we should strive for the best equality we can manage and not limit ourselves by blind idealism. If in the future, women and men are eq…

What makes you think that 50:50 representation in given field is "the correct" one?

Re: Announcing the Female Founders Conference (March 1)

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Post by rdl »

This sounds awesome. I remember buying a ticket for a "female founders grub with us" thing run by jl as a present for a female founder friend.

I wonder if some companies could sponsor expenses for non sfba female founders to attend. I think it is a lot easier for female Bay Area founders than female Midwestern founders, so it would help them a lot.

Re: Announcing the Female Founders Conference (March 1)

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Post by Crito »

aylons wrote: post #11
cousin_it wrote: post #8

While we're on the topic of conferences that target a specific slice, does anyone know if there's something like an Immigrant Founders Conference? That sounds like another demographic that has huge potential and could use some pretty specific kinds of help.

Are immigrants underrepresented in this community? My guess would be just the opposite. However, I understand they may have lots of things in common that are specific for this group.

I imagine, if nothing else, non-naturalized immigrants have unique concerns and obstacles. Visa concerns, ITAR (admittedly probably rarely an obstacle for YC style startups), etc.

I can't say I have any personal experience with any of that though, that's all just a guess.

Re: Announcing the Female Founders Conference (March 1)

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Post by mtrimpe »

rimantas wrote: post #73
mtrimpe wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Feminists fighting against trans women is a fairly well known phenomenon. Feminist and transphobic are hardly mutually exclusive worldviews. Edit: dug up a few pointer links: http://www.transadvocate.com/unpacking-transphobia-in-femini... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transphobia#Transphobia_in_fem... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist_views_on_transgenderi... http://lmgtfy.com/?q=transphobia+feminism

> self-identified feminist as opposed to what? Certified feminist?

Just 'Feminist and transphobic' somehow seemed wrong language-wise. That might just be because English is not my native language though, so I've edited the comment.

Re: Announcing the Female Founders Conference (March 1)

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Post by rimantas »

dragonwriter wrote: post #83
rimantas wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, there are two word, discrimination and segregation. Men having a bathroom and women not (or vice versa) would be discrimination: one have bathroom, other don't. In having separate bathrooms men have a bathroom and women have a bathroom, no discrimination there.

Segregation on an axis requires discrimination on the same axis (if you don't make distinctions, you can't separate.)

Treating differently by "distinctions" is discrimination, not just making them. Otherwise the whole concept of gender is discriminatory.
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