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I've largely made my living off CentOS software. I hope this new friendship doesn't cause CentOS to become diluted or eventually shuttered. Great project run by a very small number of very dedicated supporters. Best of luck to them.
I am not sure if i feel happy or not about this. I just hope they don't go the Fedora way on mangling, moving and changing everything around with every iteration. I don't see what interest has RH into Centos except for trying to disrupt the base and push that way more businesses and customers to RH. Maybe i'm just biased but Centos is doing pretty good in my opinion except maybe the late code changes and updates.
They wont change much around, I think. CentOS is a clone of RHEL and there's very little that changes around in RHEL.
Now if they can just get rid of RPM I might come back!
Just to provide a similarly brief and pointless argument: I strongly prefer yum/RPM to apt-get/deb, both as a package maintainer (for tens of thousands of users) and as a system maintainer with dozens of servers to maintain.
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I find it really odd that some FOSS people regard Red Hat as some sort of evil corporation Indeed, the success of Linux in the enterprise owes a lot to Red Hat, as they gave enterprises the sort of consistent, corporate-buzzword-compliant support agreements that removed a lot of the scariness that would otherwise impede use of Linux for "important" services.
This was true in 1998. Cowardly companies that insisted on being able to pay support for anything they deployed were able to hand over $$$ to RedHat then tick the box of 'support'. However, as we all know, you get a Linux user/expert to fix the server, you don't call RedHat. Due to the success of Ubuntu you have user/experts in small to medium sized companies that have 'given Linux a go' and got some good experience…
"""Due to the success of Ubuntu you have users/experts in small to medium sized companies that have 'given Linux a go' and got some good experience of Ubuntu""". I'm sorry, but there are very few Linux professionals I've ever met I'd consider themselves "experts" who would recommend Ubuntu for their environment. Pretty much 0 except the one guy I work with on the board of Software in the Public Interest (nonprofit that runs Debian). Ubuntu did the smart thing and got onto the "cloud" bandwagon very early. As a result, Ubuntu is likely one of the more pervasive operating systems within that community. The cloud environment is a very small part of the entire Linux ecosystem and doesn't equate at _all_ with the high end "enterprise/hpc" industry. Don't believe me? Take a look yourself at the top 500 supercomputer breakdown by operating system. Exactly 0 Ubuntu clusters. Ubuntu with high end sans such as EMC/Hitachi/etc? Nope, it plays massive second fiddle to RHEL where those companies first certify their hardware for.
Ubuntu is better than Debian regarding security (almost exclusively from the excellent work of Kees Cook, who now works on security for the ChromeOS project at google and hardens the Linux kernel. However, it still can't hold a candle to the proactive security features of RHEL (and hence the awful cheapskate CentOS as you call it). Don't believe me? Look up the gcc stack smashing protector and fortify source patches. Look at the glibc canary code that also helps (in tandem with the gcc patches) to prevent buffer overflows, execshield (from Ingo Molnar, a redhat employee) before NX bits on cpus were super common, the first mainstream distribution of Linux to include a mandatory access control framework (SELinux) enabled by default. Are some of these features in Ubuntu now? Sure. Why? Because Redhat employees wrote them and got them into upstream software, which downstream distributions like Ubuntu which do precious little engineering have adopted.
CentOS is more enterprisey than Ubuntu. Why? Because it is based on the enterprise standard when it comes to Linux, Redhat Enterprise Linux. Ubuntu still sucks with big enterprise SAN gear, it also sucks with some of the more high end networking kit (infiniband on Ubuntu, possible, but a royal PITA and the vendors laugh at you), it is terrible for realtime stuff, but it is fantastic if you want the same interface on your desktop, tablet, and phone. If you don't know your way around Linux (your comment about not knowing your way around Redhat), perhaps you shouldn't be managing Linux servers and you're helping contribute to the list of botnet nodes due to not having a clue what you're doing? Again, I work on Linux fulltime and have for awhile, the major serious differences between Redhat and Ubuntu/Debian:
- /etc/network/interfaces vs /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-*
- /etc/default vs /etc/sysconfig
- metapackages for everything vs yum groups
- dpkg/apt vs rpm/yum
- Building debs vs building rpms (I could rant for a day on how much ridiculously easier it is to build redhat packages)
- Preseed vs Kickstart (wth was Ian Murdoch thinking here? Preseed is still years behind kickstart in being awesome)
Sorry for the rant. It isn't normally my style, but this is just ridiculous. Feel free to downvote this, but please do some reading and learn Linux. You'll realize I'm likely right.
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What's wrong with RPM?
For me in past years on Red Hat, Fedora and SuSE the RPM repos have a way of corrupting themselves almost irreparably. On Ubuntu (Debian based) if things go wrong I've always been able to run a few commands and get things nice and stable again.
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My impression is that they got a bad rep long ago before there were decent package managers. As I recall, you had to install dependencies manually and updating a system could get nightmarish. Nothing really wrong with rpm as a package technology per-se, but before yum it was a lot less friendly.
Just a couple of days ago I was doing an upgrade from 6.4 to 6.5 and yum died in the middle; fixing that was quite hellish as rpm somehow decided that multiple conflicting versions of several packages were installed at once (eg glibc v131 and v137), and it wouldn't do anything until that was fixed (it wouldn't even attempt to fix the problem until it was fixed... "yum-complete-transaction" just complained about thing…
Now if they can just get rid of RPM I might come back!
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What's wrong with RPM?
My impression is that they got a bad rep long ago before there were decent package managers. As I recall, you had to install dependencies manually and updating a system could get nightmarish. Nothing really wrong with rpm as a package technology per-se, but before yum it was a lot less friendly.