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Google is the new Bell Labs

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Re: Google is the new Bell Labs

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Moreover, Bell Labs' position as part of a state-regulated monopoly meant that the research created at Bell Labs was publically available. For instance, UNIX was given away, since Bell was prohibited from selling it. I doubt that Google's research will have the same public benefit; it seems much more likely that Google will keep it for themselves.

My developing theory is that monopolies can be great for innovation. What do ATT, Google, Xerox, and the old HP have on common? They are/were, if not outright monopolies, insulated from competition by virtue of network effects, brand or trademark monopolies, or simply a lack of competent competition. They weren't like the Acers of world, in highly competitive markets, struggling to make 1-2% profits on their revenues…

What do ATT, Google, Xerox, and the old HP have on common? - They wer innovative market leaders of there time. They invested further in monetizing their successful business models. ATT&T has managed to continue to be a big player in telecoms and Google, much younger than the others is still incredibly relevant. But being a monopoly does not encourage innovation, although it can provide the financing. being a monopoly instead incentives protectionist behaviour to maintain the status quo 'cash cow'. Eventually however, unless protected by government intervention, monopolies fall or shift to new entrants. The only way to combat that is to look to the future and try and ride the next wave. Google's support of investing in 'moonshots' is really necessary to ensure they stay relevant, otherwise at some point they will become irrelevant.

Re: Google is the new Bell Labs

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> I don't get the Apple hate. And at the risk of getting downvoted, I'm gonna paraphrase Steve Jobs, That comes from the same guy who, in private, said: I'm going to destroy Android [...] I will spend my last dying breath if I need to, and I will spend every penny of Apple's $40 billion in the bank, to right this wrong

source?

http://allthingsd.com/20120604/bombs-away-judge-rules-steve-...

Re: Google is the new Bell Labs

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How many researchers are working at Apple Research? Like zero? Because there's no Apple Research? How many researchers are working at Google Research? Like a thousand? I'd say that makes all the difference.

Don't you think its little hard to believe that a 500B publicly traded company doesn't have an R&D team? I think you should rethink your post. Just because Apple doesn't advertise their research division doesn't mean they don't have one.

As far as I know Apple Research department was closed by Steve Jobs at some point, around ten years back. And have not been reopened. I have not seen any Apple employees recently presenting at academic conferences or collaborating with other researchers. Nor have I seen any publications.

Re: Google is the new Bell Labs

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Uh, Apple created the Macintosh, the iPhone, and the iPad. I would give them a bit more credit for creating new industries if we're going to start comparing them to Google on that front.

Apple grew those industries they did not create them. Important, yes, but also by a large a safer role.

Re: Google is the new Bell Labs

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Bell Labs invented fundamental technology like the transistor and the laser. I wouldn't put Google Maps in that league. They did not invent autonomous vehicles or wearable computers, though they have made strides in commoditizing the technology.

Whether or not the original comparison yields any actual insight, your comment is taking a nuanced view of the present (all inventions are incremental and end up sourced from many places) while taking a simplified view of history. Materials research was happening at many places beyond Bell Labs.

Re: Google is the new Bell Labs

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I've been reading The Idea Factory by Jon Gertner recently and I feel like the parallels between the two are really striking. The advent of Google X projects, the Motorola acquisition, and all of the recent robotics acquisitions make it feel like Google is actually building the future that I've been dreaming of since I was in elementary school. I only hope that the next wave of technological innovation will be far mo…

Take a drive around the googleplex. Go by the LinkedIn offices to the south. See those buildings off on the end there? Look at your google maps. Do you see them online? Will you ever? Google has it's secrets too, ones it doesn't want advertised.

I just checked, and all the buildings near the Googleplex-proximate LinkedIn offices are on Google Maps. The Google buildings even have floorplans.

Re: Google is the new Bell Labs

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Being the next Bell Labs is both an honour and a disgrace. Bell Labs funded basic sciences which provided much of the technology you see before you today. Certainly this was a great example of corporate research. However, Bell Labs was funded by a government sanctioned monopoly over the telecommunications sector in the US. AT&T repeatedly stifled innovation (see MCI) and abused its monopoly and neglected to implement…

Yes. I read "The Master Switch" and being crowned "The New Bell Labs" to me was synonymous with incredible innovation, which is the buried for decades to protect and entrenched position, which I don't think is google's play. For example, see the history of the answering machine and magnetic tape.

http://io9.com/5691604/how-ma-bell-shelved-the-future-for-60...

Re: Google is the new Bell Labs

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Commodotized it? Google's remote driving apparatus costs a quarter of a million dollars per car. Less than ten years ago remotely controlled vehicles had a hard time driving in a straight line ten miles in the desert. Google's have now driven millions of accident free miles. Granted they haven't tackled a Michigan snowstorm yet but I think you have to admit they pioneered this technology.

Much of the driverless car tech is from CMU and other universities who have been working on it for 30 years. Google hired several people from CMU and Berkeley. Are they putting resources into it and improving it? Absolutely. I just don't see them as being like Bell Labs here.

Er, you know that CMU and Berkeley hired those people, too, right?

Re: Google is the new Bell Labs

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Bell Labs invented fundamental technology like the transistor and the laser. I wouldn't put Google Maps in that league. They did not invent autonomous vehicles or wearable computers, though they have made strides in commoditizing the technology.

Whether or not the original comparison yields any actual insight, your comment is taking a nuanced view of the present (all inventions are incremental and end up sourced from many places) while taking a simplified view of history. Materials research was happening at many places beyond Bell Labs.

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Re: Google is the new Bell Labs

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Last year, Apple spent $1.1B on R&D (http://www.google.co.uk/finance?q=NASDAQ%3AAAPL&fstype=ii&ei...). Google spent $6.6B (http://www.google.co.uk/finance?fstype=ii&q=NASDAQ:GOOG). The big spender will suprise many: Microsoft spent $10.4B (https://www.google.co.uk/finance?q=NASDAQ%3AMSFT&fstype=ii&e...).

Also, the majority of Google R&D (at least that I am aware of) is much more applied than fundamental. The Google Car and Google Glasses are cool, but they will never win Nobel Prizes.

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