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Re: Google Puts Money on Robots, Using the Man Behind Android

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Post by Qworg » Thu, Dec 05, 2013, 3:41 PM UTC

dekhn wrote: post #78

Qworg wrote: post #67

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This is untrue, but it is hard to get international numbers. In the US alone, it is about one death a year, purely by OSHA standards. This doesn't include things like "struck by robot, died three days later due to brain haemorrhage". OSHA: https://www.osha.gov/pls/imis/AccidentSearch.search?acc_keyw... Economist: 77 accidents with industrial robots in 2005 alone - http://www.economist.com/node/7001829 Research paper:…

I can't read the economist article "reached your reading limit" :( 77 accidents- I assume that's injuries, not deaths, right? I would consider the OSHA count as incomplete for the reason you say- but I doubt there is more accurate data. Right now I'd say the numbers look reasonable to not justify preventing the entertainment industry from using robot automation in movie making alongside actors (I think that's what wa…

Injuries. Death numbers are far harder to find.

The more pressing concern with putting actors in the mix is that they are necessarily untrained or poorly trained participants.

Most of these accidents happen with trained personnel.

I'm not saying that Bot and Dolly shouldn't do what they're doing. I'm just interested in what their safety procedure is to prevent accidents. "Don't get hit" is not a procedure.

Re: Google Puts Money on Robots, Using the Man Behind Android

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Post by waps » Fri, Dec 06, 2013, 3:58 AM UTC

jdorw wrote: post #43

waps wrote: post #25

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Some suggestions. To learn: 1) http://societyofrobots.com/ especially the forum 2) https://www.coursera.org/course/conrob 3) download the old coursera course on computer vision from some torrent site 4) anything and everything on 3d mathematics you can find. Get a job making robots. Oh and the interview question is "how do you find a path for a non-point robot with non-line obstacles". The answer is to add the point-…

I've been a robotics hobbyist for a few years and still can't answer any of those questions. I can get my turtlebot to follow me around and chase the cat though. Is there a practical programming robotics book/course out there? I've taken tons of math, controls, read robotics books, but still can't program anything harder than a PID or Kalman filter. I think part of that is me relying on ROS libraries too much.

Both of those can be really easy or really hard, depending. What exactly would you like to learn ?

Both things are related to control loops, so how about you make a slightly more complex robot that can detect it's position somehow, and get some pathfinding going ?

Re: Google Puts Money on Robots, Using the Man Behind Android

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Post by dm2 » Sat, Dec 07, 2013, 2:17 AM UTC

munificent wrote: post #76

In case the automated cars weren't enough of a wake up call, this is a pretty clear indication that the millions (billions?) of people we currently employ to do low-skill manual labor will be out of a job before too long. If we don't come up with useful for things for them to fill their time with, it's going to be a hugely destabilizing force in society.

What about a law that requires companies to train employees with a usable skill for X months before they can be replaced with a robot?

Hopefully all of these innovations will not only replace humans with robots but will also create new industries and new jobs.

Something that's more Utopian would be if there was no meaning of currency. I think it happened in Star Trek (never seen it but someone told me about the concept). If you have re-arrange the molecules of any object to create any other object, then why would everyone need to work? If you wanted MORE things then you could work, but to live day to day, would you have to pay for small items and food in the future or could you just "print" or create them from re-atomizing anything you already own?