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Re: OpenBSD 5.4 Released

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I think I'm getting a little glimpse of the community here

Yeah, god forbid people having actual tasks to do instead of micromanaging their online presence like a SF web monkey.

What you actually mean is to lazy to do their job properly.

Just like my last employer where I spent a lot of time finding the simple things the developers didn't do (but would cause havoc with Google if we let it launch in that state)

Re: OpenBSD 5.4 Released

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D-Bus is just a low-level socket protocol(which is, by the way, really quite light); there is nothing "bloated" about it.

Well, its going into the kernel as kdbus, which you could argue is bloated. Linux is much bigger than the BSDs, although it is modular and you can remove it, but the big distros use much of it so you can't if you use them...

A lot of things in linux are faster than in the various bsd kernels, some of this owing to having a few optional codepaths rather than just one.

Also, kdbus basically means there is in fact /less/ code made necessary by using the dbus protocol, since you don't need the daemon anymore, it also means lower latency.

Re: OpenBSD 5.4 Released

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I think I'm getting a little glimpse of the community here

Yeah, god forbid people having actual tasks to do instead of micromanaging their online presence like a SF web monkey.

One more tiny glimpse of the community!

Re: OpenBSD 5.4 Released

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To be honest I've been using it for about 7 years and I didn't know that. I'm not sure that matters either. It's not really a priority and I respect that.

No, and being able to download all the FAQs easily is cool but there are things where it actually impacts me. For instance, I have a netbook without a cdrom drive or floppy disk. So, to install OpenBSD on it, I had to first install OpenBSD onto another PC computer, and then run makeboot and such on my USB drive and copy over the ramdisk. Apparently the cited excuse for why they don't support USB bootable media is bec…

If you use GRUB, try copying bsd.rd to /boot, and running kopenbsd bsd.rd - it's really neat, no external media necessary!

Re: OpenBSD 5.4 Released

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hypertext man pages ? what is it that people don't like about them ?

Isn't there some way to get hypertext into man pages? Eg extend nroff. Then you don't have to have a parallel system.

nroff isn't the problem, the pager is. I view manual pages in acme and they become very hypertexty. It's not perfect, as they weren't written with that in mind, but it's damn good.

Re: OpenBSD 5.4 Released

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hypertext man pages ? what is it that people don't like about them ?

Isn't there some way to get hypertext into man pages? Eg extend nroff. Then you don't have to have a parallel system.

You can use w3mman (it installs with the w3m package on OBSD) and you'll be able to follow manual xrefs. Html output with links can also be generated, see the afterbook man page linked above for an example.

Re: OpenBSD 5.4 Released

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From https://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/html_node/GNU-Manuals.htm... The preferred document format for the GNU system is the Texinfo formatting language. Every GNU package should (ideally) have documentation in Texinfo both for reference and for learners. Texinfo makes it possible to produce a good quality formatted book, using TeX, and to generate an Info file. It is also possible to generate HTML output from Texinf…

Unix manpages are fine. If you've read the GNU awk manual vs BSD awk, you'll understand what I mean. GNU awk manual is hundreds of pages long and serves only to confuse the user. Not only that, half of it is listing differences between GNU awk and other awks which is just mindnumbing. A fine case of cat -v. And don't get me started on glibc. The bit that pisses me off is: man awk (see info awk instead). I think they…

Given how readily good search and navigation exist, I'd much prefer GNU-style awk man pages to BSD-style awk man pages. 15 years ago I taught myself the AWK programming language using "man awk" on a Red Hat Linux box with no network connection. Had the manual been merely a listing of available switches, that wouldn't have been possible.

I'd actually prefer it if more languages provided man pages with detailed language as opposed to random assortments of HTML posing as documentation. Always liked perl precisely due to this.

Re: OpenBSD 5.4 Released

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Unix manpages are fine. If you've read the GNU awk manual vs BSD awk, you'll understand what I mean. GNU awk manual is hundreds of pages long and serves only to confuse the user. Not only that, half of it is listing differences between GNU awk and other awks which is just mindnumbing. A fine case of cat -v. And don't get me started on glibc. The bit that pisses me off is: man awk (see info awk instead). I think they…

Given how readily good search and navigation exist, I'd much prefer GNU-style awk man pages to BSD-style awk man pages. 15 years ago I taught myself the AWK programming language using "man awk" on a Red Hat Linux box with no network connection. Had the manual been merely a listing of available switches, that wouldn't have been possible. I'd actually prefer it if more languages provided man pages with detailed languag…

That 6 pages, if you read it, includes the language, all functions, flags and examples. Its possible to digest it fully in a few minutes.

It is complete.

Re: OpenBSD 5.4 Released

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What is the best hardware for a home router? Soekris was very popular in the past but I'm wondering that maybe there's cool hardware out there. I also wonder if carpd is usable with a DHCP connection.

Also, there are some nice fanless Mini-ITX boards out there with dual gigabit, which is all you need (plus a case for a board and a switch, of course).

M350 enclosure is popular and cheap.

It goes without saying such box will smoke anything you can buy of-the-shelf. Hell, even the anemic ALIX Geode gave a nice boost to my home network over the crappy Linksys I had previously (things are now snappy and 100% stable).

Re: OpenBSD 5.4 Released

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Are you using any specific font setup? Infinality patches etc? At least default install leaves the fonts in a pretty bad state.

The fonts are looking nice and sharp for me: http://s24.postimg.org/n94n4dred/fonts.png I fetch freetype via CVS from xenocara tree: cvs co xenocara/lib/freetype Apply the subpixel patch (the Adobe CFF stuff is already default in - current ): http://dpaste.com/hold/1438578/ And use the following `~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf`: http://dpaste.com/hold/1438579/ You might also want to delete `/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-luci…

Forgot to add, after you uncomment the subpixel stuff, just do a `make && sudo make install && make clean` from the `xenocara/lib/freetype` directory.

Also, repeat the same after each snapshot upgrade, as the X sets will overwrite it every time, naturally. Don't forget to keep it updated as well, with `cvs up`.

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