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U.S. Opposes Tech Companies’ Requests to Disclose Surveillance

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Re: U.S. Opposes Tech Companies’ Requests to Disclose Surveillance

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So if anything. What we are seing might be an improvement of the situation rather than a worsening. People can and do speak up and for each generation we will move toward a more liberal approach perhaps.

There seems to be a pattern in society over the last century, towards social liberalism/acceptance among people (sex, drugs, race etc). This of course happens very slowly and takes decades. The big question is how this will affect the intelligence community long-term, who are becoming simultaneously more important, and simultaneously more threatened by technology and the openness of the internet. Will they be forced…

>terrorism seems to have accelerated totalitarianism

How do you figure? I weakly dispute that totalitarianism is accelerating (there are some worrying trends at various stages of development in the US, UK, Canada, and Australia, but accelerating is a strong word - we may just be more aware of power abuses because of the internet), but I strongly dispute that, if true, "terrorism" is the cause. There has always been terrorism. There will always be terrorism. Terrorism is merely the enemy du jour. The idea that terrorism represents a new and uniquely dangerous threat is pure propaganda. Indeed, when you look at some the shit that went down in the latter half of the 20th century, we are living in a comparatively terrorist-free time. Possibly governing politicians are more afraid of terrorism after 9/11 (not because of its lethality as such but because of the unpredictable political aftershocks), but equally (more likely?) they may be consciously aware of its utility at pushing through power grabs. Either way, it's not right to call it a cause.

Have a look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States

It's rather interesting how much longer the 2000s section is - rather misleadingly, as each entry is 2-3 lines of text while the earlier entries are generally a single line. Also, there's a lot of fluff in the 2000s entries. Search for where the word "bomb" appears and you'll see what I mean. I wonder if this is the result of terrorism hype, or one of those instances of subtle Wiki bias we've all been hearing about?

Re: U.S. Opposes Tech Companies’ Requests to Disclose Surveillance

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction

= falsify evidence against individuals in specific cases to hide their methods of obtaining the real evidence.

Wait, actual falsification? Do you have a source for that?

I always thought it was the NSA telling local cops "go bark up that tree", and they make a series of "lucky guesses" that lead to an otherwise legitimate arrest and prosectution.

Re: U.S. Opposes Tech Companies’ Requests to Disclose Surveillance

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post #81
post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There seems to be a pattern in society over the last century, towards social liberalism/acceptance among people (sex, drugs, race etc). This of course happens very slowly and takes decades. The big question is how this will affect the intelligence community long-term, who are becoming simultaneously more important, and simultaneously more threatened by technology and the openness of the internet. Will they be forced…

>terrorism seems to have accelerated totalitarianism How do you figure? I weakly dispute that totalitarianism is accelerating (there are some worrying trends at various stages of development in the US, UK, Canada, and Australia, but accelerating is a strong word - we may just be more aware of power abuses because of the internet), but I strongly dispute that, if true, "terrorism" is the cause. There has always been t…

Measuring terrorism in number of historical attacks or body counts shows a lack of understanding of the goal of terrorism. I'm not saying terrorism attacks itself is the source, but the fear of terrorism (which is still essentially terrorism).

Terrorists attacks probably aren't accelerating (domestically). But politically in the last decade, it has been the source of the accelerated militarization of police [1], extreme border policies such as the TSA follies and the elimination of judicial check on executive power [1].

All signs of increased totalitarianism and all directly connected to terrorism.

[1] http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/11/how-the-...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Secrets_Privilege#Elimin...

Re: U.S. Opposes Tech Companies’ Requests to Disclose Surveillance

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What bad stuff has the government done with the current batch of domestic spying?

Secretly and unconstitutionally feeding evidence to local law enforcement for petty crimes. Blackmailing judges and politicians. Giving (selling?) information about US citizens to foreign countries. Spying on significant others. Industrial espionage. That's just what we've heard about.

Aside from the first one, is there any hard evidence of these? "Industrial Espionage" != spying on foreign companies with no commercial benefit, for example.
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