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Business Insider CTO Forced to Resign Following Twitter Firestorm

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Re: Business Insider CTO Forced to Resign Following Twitter Firestorm

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For all the value of political correctness in the workplace, someone just lost their job for their honest views, because some found them too ugly to bear. If you're still thirsty for more ugly truth, check out a Twitter search for @paxdickinson just now. Apparently to many, honesty is objectively worse than endless vengeful hate. I don't support anything this guy said, but clearly some of it was sarcasm, and as for t…

I kinda want to agree - I tend to believe that a person's private beliefs and public behaviour can be separated, and that we're all capable of behaving properly when the situation demands it, leaving us free to think what we like on our own time.

Two things complicate this: firstly, social networks are really making the idea of a 'private sphere' of beliefs that are separate from one's public role unsustainable. Secondly, CTO is a high-profile role, a representative of the company with responsibilities including dealing with technical partners and attracting new employees. This role is compromised by behaving in a way that is very likely to damage those relationships.

Obviously, he's now going to be on the receiving end of abuse that's as bad or worse than anything he's ever said himself. In the interests of consistency, I obviously have to deplore this; two wrongs don't make a right. The sight of a bunch of righteously-enraged Twitter users piling on is not exactly edifying and won't do anything to persuade anyone that civil discourse is the way to a better future.

A couple of years ago I thought we might be on the verge of a new era of permissiveness, in the sense that policing the subjectively offensive thoughts of others would be so obviously impossible that we'd have to accept the existence of offensive ideas and aim instead for the more achievable (and more liberal, to a given definition of 'liberal') goal of ensuring that people simply ensure that their public (in the sense of official or political) conduct is impartial irrespective of their private beliefs. Now, I'm not so sure. People seem to like being outraged by others, and seem to want to suppress views they dislike even if no identifiable harm has been caused (in fact, one can always claim some harm on the basis that someone's feelings were hurt). It now seems to be reasonable to argue in favour of, in effect, a campaign for the improvement of public morals, a notion that seemed remote only recently.

That said, I also personally think that this guy sounds like an asshole, and I wouldn't have wanted him as my boss or my subordinate if he displayed any of the attitudes on show in his Twitter feed in the workplace. It's highly likely that he did so, and for all we know he could have been under existing disciplinary warnings or subject to internal complaints. It might be that what people say about him on Twitter has nothing to do with him being fired.

Re: Business Insider CTO Forced to Resign Following Twitter Firestorm

#82

For all the value of political correctness in the workplace, someone just lost their job for their honest views, because some found them too ugly to bear. If you're still thirsty for more ugly truth, check out a Twitter search for @paxdickinson just now. Apparently to many, honesty is objectively worse than endless vengeful hate. I don't support anything this guy said, but clearly some of it was sarcasm, and as for t…

> someone just lost their job for their honest views, because some found them too ugly to bear.

This is both true, and a very good thing.

This guy had the title of CTO, and at that level one must be a leader in the views that they express. If one expresses views that are inconsistent with the values of the company, and you are supposed to be a leader, then your job is on the line.

This is true of all sorts of views, not just social views, and the C level people need to be held accountable for the public face that they choose to put out there. And if this guy's views reduce their hiring pool by half because he's scaring away employees over trivial and bad reasons, he is actively harming the company and should be fired.

Saying that a view is "honest" doesn't matter a damn, whether it's endorsing competitors products or being a misogynist. When you are an employee, you can't be actively damaging your company, and when you are in a leadership role, your words have much more power, and can both be far more helpful or hurtful to the company.

Re: Business Insider CTO Forced to Resign Following Twitter Firestorm

#83
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I get it, but seriously this thing got escalated because of feminism BS.Yes he is nuts, but why on earth send a wrong message? I am not saying he getting demoted/fired is illegal, all I am saying is so much hatred for him on HN is hypocritical.

No, you don't get it. Quit saying you do.

Let us not make this a mud-slinging competition, I am expressing my view here, may be a bit ridiculous and in minority.You may be just annoyed that one is defending such anti-feminist demon, Yes I am and Yes it is necessary.

Re: Business Insider CTO Forced to Resign Following Twitter Firestorm

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How are we suppressing his differences of opinion? Are you suggesting the BI isn't allowed to hire or fire whoever they want? >> In The Passion Of The Christ 2, Jesus gets raped by a pack of niggers. It's his own fault for dressing like a whore though. You'd put this guy in charge of your business?

Some of his other tweets are really bad, but I think this one is a legitimately funny satire of Mel Gibson. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/01/mel-gibsons-new-rac... . If The Onion had written it everyone would have had a good laugh and moved on.

Good catch.

Re: Business Insider CTO Forced to Resign Following Twitter Firestorm

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I don't get this. He has a pretty, IMO, hateful view of the world. I don't care if he is honest if he is also a sociopath and a fucking asshole. Use this filter. If you were running a company and came across this type of personality, would you want them in your company? What if they were anti-gay? Anti-white? Anti-immigrant? And not just held those views but basically YELLED them in PUBLIC while using your company na…

Practically, these are great, fair, and true points, and I agree with them. Idealistically, another side of me fucking hates this. Nothing would ever change, and humanity would never progress if we withheld our differences of opinion. At what point does an opinion become too extreme to share?

He is absolutely free to share it. As he said in a previous rant, "this is a free country". However, it seems foolish of him to expect the entity he represents to continue employing him when his views go against that entity's interest (making money).

Re: Business Insider CTO Forced to Resign Following Twitter Firestorm

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I don't get this. He has a pretty, IMO, hateful view of the world. I don't care if he is honest if he is also a sociopath and a fucking asshole. Use this filter. If you were running a company and came across this type of personality, would you want them in your company? What if they were anti-gay? Anti-white? Anti-immigrant? And not just held those views but basically YELLED them in PUBLIC while using your company na…

Practically, these are great, fair, and true points, and I agree with them. Idealistically, another side of me fucking hates this. Nothing would ever change, and humanity would never progress if we withheld our differences of opinion. At what point does an opinion become too extreme to share?

When it is conflated with your work, or you education or anything that is not 100% you. And have absolutely no illusions. If you have a hateful opinion, fine. But if you are very vocal about it, even just between the walls of work, don't expect to not be disciplined for it. You are creating a hostile work environment and, well, I'm sorry, you can't expect to protected in that case.

And, btw, this is not hard. Get a different twitter account if you want to spout your opinions. Make sure it has no connection to your work.

I have three twitter accounts. One is "me", that I use for work stuffs. One is more for close friends and people I know in public. The last is my controversial one that I use.

Re: Business Insider CTO Forced to Resign Following Twitter Firestorm

#87
He's honest about his opinions, and he might be trolling sure, but I really fail to see the evidence that he's a racist misogynist.

This is just a meme which the mob picked up and ran with, just like "Phil Fish is an asshole" that drove him out of indie game dev.

Edit: for example, when people say he makes misogynist tweets, then they need to offer evidence that he is against women or hates women.

Re: Business Insider CTO Forced to Resign Following Twitter Firestorm

#88
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why people who believe in meritocracy are termed anti-feminists? No I don't even remotely know Pax, heck this is the first time I heard of him. Guys seriously do you want to sink to the level of quota and reservation based on gender now? It is exteremely difficult to get talented and motivated people in tech, let us not put gender bias or elitism on people who care about their field (may be just their company/org). I…

I guarantee that a bro with this kind of lack of self-control and awareness who has made it to CTO has been the beneficiary of a lot of informal affirmative action and quotas. "At least three cool dudes that I can drink at lunch with? Check."

fuck political correctness. Most of the time I had to deal with all the passive-agressive BS of office, I want to throw a few chairs out-of-the window and whenever I talk to a feminist, I want to go frag mode in the office. I always wish I could let some steam off,instead giving reasonable and politically neutral statements.I guess it is just me. :(

Re: Business Insider CTO Forced to Resign Following Twitter Firestorm

#89

I know NOTHING about Dickinson other than this article and the linked articles, but something that really bothers me about tech is how people like him are able to even become CTO/CEO/CXO at all, let alone continue to get jobs at that level! I've worked with my share of C level folk who are borderline sociopathic and have the wonderful combination of NOT being successful at that level either. It astounds me that peopl…

Most devs I've met will just endlessly put up with this shit. They'll also put up with: - long hours - far less than optimal physical workspaces - being left in the dark about what's going on in the company from a business perspective - all kinds of other crap We need more devs who will speak up or at least who will support the ones who do speak up. In far too many workplaces, it's still high school. Management is so…

We need devs who will not only speak up but who can communicate

I spent a few years dealing with the asshole charlatan CTO, who I shit you not, was "discovered" while working at computer renaissance.

The major differentiator between him and the lead dev who never got his way, was that the CTO could calmly and credibly state his case. Even if that case was as ridiculous as "we need to rewrite all our systems to use UDP, TCP is making everything slow". When confronted with these kind of theories the lead dev would easily be goaded into hissy fits, that made him sound like an egotistical baby.

Everyone on this forum knows that blaming TCP for system slowness is total misdirecting bullshit. But the CEO doesn't know that, and if you present your case without savvy social skills you will lose every time. This lead dev proved it for several years. It sucks, but it is life.

Interestingly I happened upon this telling quote that I later learned through informal channels was attributed to the CEO

   "I have 25 code writers that are absolute 'Rain Men', but I gotta have ONE 'Rain Man' with social skills to run the place."
In the context of that quote, some things that happened during my time at the startup make a lot more sense.
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