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Elon Musk took the futuristic gesture interface from Iron Man and made it real

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Re: Elon Musk took the futuristic gesture interface from Iron Man and made it real

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

the tech is there, they just went ahead and made it. That's not groundbreaking And that's where we disagree. To me that's the very definition of groundbreaking.

Exactly. If "going ahead and making it" was the only barrier, why didn't it exist yet?

Well, technically it exists. http://robbietilton.com/blog/?p=1589 https://ccrma.stanford.edu/~adam/airharp/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLqLmvL75B0

Robert Tiltons application is almost everything Musk seems to have done, except the lack of interfacing with CAD software (for example gesture based modification).

The other 2 links are, whilst only tangentially related, really cool, so I thought I'd post them as well.

So really, the question isn't "Why didn't it exist yet?" it's "Why was Elon's system featured on thenextweb, and Roberts wasn't?"

Re: Elon Musk took the futuristic gesture interface from Iron Man and made it real

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post #59

HN again has some depressingly negative comments. It's good that there are people with the disposable income, and the engineering resources, to tinker with stuff like this. This particular iteration may not be interesting to you, but we're stuck with WIMP (or WIMP-lite) environments very similar to the 40 year old versions. (More colours, more animation, bigger icons, but little actual change). Kludging together desk…

> HN again has some depressingly negative comments.

Agreed. I feel like any time I read a Tesla article on HN, people feel the need to criticize it for the sake of "balancing the debate". I recommend just not reading the article if you're really that biased against Tesla, and not taking part in the discussion. It doesn't add anything more than a few flame wars.

Besides, isn't it nice to see something that doesn't look like Bootstrap, Foundation, etc. (name one)? I feel like if anything doesn't follow certain unspoken laws of minimalism decided by the startup gods, the UI becomes terrible by default. I've seen Heroku's redesign praised by many people on HN, but to me it just seems like a factory-stamped Bootstrap print-out. If all this "Iron Man" stuff is "been there, done that", then what about all the same sort of criticism for the umpteenth Bootstrap clone?

Re: Elon Musk took the futuristic gesture interface from Iron Man and made it real

#83
post #59

HN again has some depressingly negative comments. It's good that there are people with the disposable income, and the engineering resources, to tinker with stuff like this. This particular iteration may not be interesting to you, but we're stuck with WIMP (or WIMP-lite) environments very similar to the 40 year old versions. (More colours, more animation, bigger icons, but little actual change). Kludging together desk…

I think there's something of a cultural divide here. To me it seems like a lot of HN users have taken PG's oft quoted statement:

"At this point, when someone comes to us with something that users like but that we could envision forum trolls dismissing as a toy, it makes us especially likely to invest."

And turned it into:

"Most things dismissed as toys are worth investing in."

Here's the thing, from where I'm sitting this is Light Pen Redux 2.0, as other commentators have pointed out, the system looks like a great way to induce the gorilla arm effect. Maybe there are aspects of this that SpaceX has a real use for, I'm not a rocket engineer. But I don't think it's out of line to call this what it appears to be, a PR piece.

Re: Elon Musk took the futuristic gesture interface from Iron Man and made it real

#84
This video shows him rather ham-fistedly interacting with a 3D model of a rocket engine assembly, then for some reason he goes on to show it being 3D printed.

Anyone involved in using 3D CAD and component design, including using Siemens NX which he refers to in the video will have seen or used a six axis Space mouse controller by 3D connexion which costs a few hundred bucks and is massively more precise than using a leap motion.

These space mice have been available for well over a decade and use simple optical encoders to derive translation and rotation.

No doubt the leap motion has uses at and beyond the desktop but it has a way to go yet to overcome the problems in the algorithms for interpreting gestures at a distance.

Re: Elon Musk took the futuristic gesture interface from Iron Man and made it real

#85
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Seems clear he is doing this to increase his personal brand as the "real life tony stark" as opposed to it actually being useful for engineering. His personal brand is an enormous asset on the balance sheet of his companies, so I really respect this - but lets call it what it is.

So what? Let's hope that he's got a really bad case of it.

He's got 7 billion dollars and a lot of resources that he can bring to bear. If he continues to take a deeper dive into its uses he could help spur further development. Either by creating the products with his team, or by purchasing third party solutions, thereby "investing" in other companies.

Now Elon needs to figure out how to incorporate an exoskeleton suit into one of his companies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powered_exoskeleton

Re: Elon Musk took the futuristic gesture interface from Iron Man and made it real

#86
post #59

HN again has some depressingly negative comments. It's good that there are people with the disposable income, and the engineering resources, to tinker with stuff like this. This particular iteration may not be interesting to you, but we're stuck with WIMP (or WIMP-lite) environments very similar to the 40 year old versions. (More colours, more animation, bigger icons, but little actual change). Kludging together desk…

I agree that tinkering is good, but this seem more like hype than tinkering. This demo (rotating stuff with gestures) has been done over and over, and hyped up each time as the future, like in the movies , and doing it one more time is not engineering and is not problem-solving. Real experimentation is one thing, but more glitzy demos that aren't actually usable is the last thing "virtual reality" type interfaces nee…

Maybe he's not showing us everything? SpaceX competitive advantage is that they do everything in house. So he probably doesn't want to show all their capabilities. But it sure acts as a great recruiting tool.

Re: Elon Musk took the futuristic gesture interface from Iron Man and made it real

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post #11

I was impressed about a minute into it and then he said "that's what we were able to do a few months ago" I was expecting he would pull the monitor away leaving a 3D holographic projection. I guess I watch too many movies, lol But the glass projection looked fascinating.

Wasn't this a scene from a Ben Affleck movie? Paycheck I think it was called.

For those that are interested, here is a link to the scene:

http://www.criticalcommons.org/Members/ccManager/clips/paych...

Re: Elon Musk took the futuristic gesture interface from Iron Man and made it real

#88
So what he can do in the video is not exactly revolutionary. But none of those techs can live up to their potential without this kind of experimentation and integration with each other.

It's not the next Tesla, but I'm glad to see someone taking these technologies seriously, even when they have some work ahead of them.

Re: Elon Musk took the futuristic gesture interface from Iron Man and made it real

#89
Too many negative comments here.

Folks, "there's nothing new", until there is. At some point, new tech is a toy and dismissed because of its limitations. The whole idea is to identify those limitations and push through them.

SpaceX actually has some use for new ways to interact with virtual 3D objects. Everyone is focusing on modelling, but there's also the visualization. Which can be more important than the modelling itself. For comparison, think about how much time you spend writing code, vs reading and debugging code.

Technologies like these enables us to get new ways of looking at things. We are focusing on rotation and panning, but gesture-based interfaces can provide so much more.

Also, we are thinking about people sitting at desks, where other input devices might be more desirable. But what about gesture-based screens in other environments. Say, at the factories themselves? We are visual beings and we like to point at stuff (and talk about stuff). Maybe a combination of speech recognition and gestures would enable new interactions with machines?

Yeah, comparing to Iron Man is silly, but it is amusing. And easy for the average Joe to understand. That is PR, and NASA could learn from it.

Re: Elon Musk took the futuristic gesture interface from Iron Man and made it real

#90

I wonder why he doesn't start 10 side companies run by other people. Say a CAD software company. It's a bit strange format to put out a 3:49 minute video.

Focus. And with running Tesla and SpaceX i guess he already has alot on his plate.
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