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Meet the Dread Pirate Roberts, the man behind Silk Road

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Re: Meet the Dread Pirate Roberts, the man behind Silk Road

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> The name Dread Pirate Roberts should've given away the fact the site is supposed to be handed down to different operators if you read/watched Princess Bride. It did, and that has been pointed out literally since the start. It's one thing to know that the name suggests the ownership could change hands at any time, and quite another to have the current DPR state that this is so and when he took over. > This guy is ma…

I think it's because you're flaunting yourself, you're daring them to do something, and they hate that even more.

>I think it's because you're flaunting yourself, you're daring them to do something, and they hate that even more.

Exactly. Everytime DPR gives an interview, it kicks the DEA in the balls and announces to the entire US through the media how inept they are. With this interview they can now go and get greenlighted double the resources to go after him. A guy here who was shipping seeds to the US was the only vendor caught out of dozens of storefonts doing the same thing because he was the only politically active one by funding NORML and other US legalization movements. They singled him out as the target to go after and even mentioned this in their press release after they caught him.

DEA go after low hanging fruit to get more press/funding, and whoever is making them look bad or is political. If you just stay in your quiet corner of the darknet and sell drugs they are more apt to leave you alone for the guy talking to Forbes beacuse there's only so much resources to go around. There's another market, BMR that you never hear much about because he's smart enough not to give interviews even though the site has been talked about in mainstream media articles as well. He learned his lesson saying too much when he closed down his clearnet site and let it slip he was starting BMR. Considering he's still operating without being arrested kind of obvious where the resources are going to (making an example of DPR, if they ever catch him).

Even worse he's calling out his competition which is a big mistake. It's like this guy has zero knowledge of the carding world and all the market vs market attacks that have gone on since the late 1990s. They sold drugs on those sites too

Re: Meet the Dread Pirate Roberts, the man behind Silk Road

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We know he found a wallet bug so that immediately gives away what level of competency/expertise to look for on the bitcoin forums which he undoubtedly posts there too. How he discovered the site is relevant and will give away how long he has been on bitcointalk since the orig dpr advertised there. We know his book recommendations from the forum which he prob recommended on clearnet in the past, or attached to his FB…

Not to mention, the dude had to have money (even before taking this over) if he said the previous owner was "well compensated".

flip side, it could have been a down payment then an 'earn-out' where the former DPR took xx% of revenue until the debt was paid off.

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Well, it becomes pretty obvious when you look at how SR actually operates: why don't sellers just post a list of products on a forum or wiki and buyers send them bitcoins? Because there would be no form of escrow or feedback tracking or interventions by third-parties or bonds required of sellers; with pseudonymous identities and irrevocable payments, it'd be an incredibly tempting lemon market. It's those additional…

Interesting link, particularly the part about ways law enforcement might try to shut down SR. One approach police might take is to set up shop as sellers, and then instead of running a scam, actually ship the illicit goods and have the police show up right after the mailman. If I understand correctly, the buyer's address must go to the seller instead of the SR admins. This might be considered entrapment, but if the b…

Yes, that's one approach, but I think it'd be a major logistical challenge to coordinate with every single local police department whose zip code you happen to be shipping to. Easier to just scam customers and not deliver. :)

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Whether it's a victimless crime or not depends on where they source the drugs. You could argue that aggressive law-enforcement is what causes reprisal violence, but that still wouldn't justify supporting it in another way.

So I smoke normal, legal cigarettes. About 10 a day, 20 when I'm stressed. I started about 20, borrowing them off friends, and it's been maybe 8 years now. The first 2 years, I didn't realize I was addicted to them. I just smoked when I wanted, which was between every lecture and with my friends in the evening. Then I tried to stop. Quitting smoking is weird because sometimes you can just stop, and don't feel the nee…

I really enjoyed this post until reading the most selfish sentence of the week: "If I were not hooked on cigarettes, as a smart, otherwise disciplined person, I'd be more sympathetic with this libertarians on drugs."

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The interviewer didn't even get the operator's first name. I think he (she? they?)'ll be fine.

The way a proper counterintelligence effort goes after someone like this is to develop a list of candidates based on known facts, then use surveillance, statistics, etc to rule people out. I could ID DPR for $500k with a few staff in a year, either by breaking the law or as an official state entitity breaking the laws of other countries.

I would start by examining where all the major Tor exit nodes are, since that's likely where you would hide your heavy trafficked Tor hidden service, right beside a giant exit node to blend in with the other traffic. Feds already know this, this is probably how they caught Freedom Hosting.

Failing that go looking for hosting services that accept bitcoin, or online wallet services esp one's coded in php, since this guy has expertise in that area it's logical to assume he's running a hosting front so when the feds come in to seize the servers, he would be the guy they ask to retrieve it. You wouldn't want to trust your multi-million dollar drug site to colocation you'd want to see your server all day and be able to get to it or notice if somebody sabotaged it. He kind of already dropped he had physical control of the server when it crashed once while he was "out of town". Now cash out a lot of your coins and pretend it's for contract services, DDOS, hosting ect. You could also then enjoy plausible deniability, claiming an unknown customer set that site up and it wasn't you. Since your site accepts bitcoins, you have a reason to be using them. All well and good.. unless you talk too much and drop intel on yourself so they can use other circumstantial evidence against you in court.

He would also have to launder and sell all those coins. If I were him I'd be selling them directly to buyers in an underserved country using a decoy clearnet fixed-rate exchange, or I'd also be running my own small exchange and dumping coins in it, using fake ID scans and paying for traffic to simulate customer records. I'd probably also run my own mixing service like bitfog, lending service, or online casino/betting site to help launder them. If there's any large bitcoin investment funds still around I'd be all over that too, getting new coins out from other investors and giving them my SR coins.

Feds can identify the operators of all the above and then compare them to identity markings DPR has dropped on himself. Anybody with a 60% or higher chance of fitting the profile mark them for long term surveillance they will slip up eventually. Feds already know all of this.. which is why you need to be incredibly careful and never get too comfortable running the world's biggest outlaw darkmarket. Satoshi is a good example of excellent OPSEC. Never once did he stray from the topic of development of bitcoin. There is only 1 post in his entire bitcointalk history that does and it was when he chastised some idiots who wanted to sign up Wikileaks back in 2010 for donations, warning them Bitcoin would be killed before it could even start. He certainly didn't talk about politics with the exception of his genesis block comment. He also seemed to have had chosen a fictitious personality and slid in and out of it confusing anybody trying to go after him. Every unique phrase or word he wrote was analyzed then looked for in old whitepapers and mailing lists... nothing.

He also doesn't give interviews

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Well, producing child pornography is a crime that is inherently victim-ful. (I do not include cartoon CP here) Producing drugs today happens to have victims because of social policies etc, but those aren't inherent to the act of producing the drug. There are victims in the production of certain modern day goods (like electronics, clothes, etc.) but that doesn't mean that manufacturing iPhones necessarily leads to exp…

To quote Chomsky, 'ever product made in a capitalist society requires some level of coercion', from Chinese Iphones to Colombian cocaine.

That is a lie though. If I pick up a rock and somebody else does as well and we both use our hands to break off pieces of the rock (private means of production) and trade parts of the broken rocks with each no coercion occurred.

That is technically a capitalist society without coercion.

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Well, producing child pornography is a crime that is inherently victim-ful. (I do not include cartoon CP here) Producing drugs today happens to have victims because of social policies etc, but those aren't inherent to the act of producing the drug. There are victims in the production of certain modern day goods (like electronics, clothes, etc.) but that doesn't mean that manufacturing iPhones necessarily leads to exp…

To quote Chomsky, 'ever product made in a capitalist society requires some level of coercion', from Chinese Iphones to Colombian cocaine.

Why doesn't he go ahead and state the logical extension of that, which is that every product made in any organized society requires some level of coercion? Chomsky is long on criticisms of capitalism but short on suggestions for replacing it.

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I don't have the links handy, but it's well know that mail has been photographed for years and it seems likely that PRISM or some gov database is already ingesting this information. Seems like an easy step to upgrade the camera to something that attempts to scan contents.

Envelopes have been photographed for years. The worry is that they'll start scanning package contents.

Just have to photograph them at higher wavelengths. 390-700nm is fine and all, but somewhere around 10nm or so should do the trick...

Perhaps there could be a market on SR for little pieces of x-ray sensitive photographic film. Customers could pay providers a slight premium to include the film in the shipment. If the customer discovers that the film was exposed, they know that they've fallen onto somebodies radar.

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> Bitcoin-like digital currency system called Liberty Reserve No, it's really not. That's about analogous to "absinthe-like drink called Coca-Cola." Can the Bitcoin Foundation sue for defamation?

How isn't it? They're both drinks, and slightly poisonous... they're both digital currency, and as far as any laymen could tell, used exclusively by criminals. Oh sure, you can tell me about "mining" and crypto, but that's not relevant right now. What, if anything, actually sets Bitcoin apart from LIberty Reserve?

If anything : decentralized vs centralized currency.

For the laymen : Nobody owns Bitcoin. Liberty Reserve owned Liberty Reserve.

It's as simple as it gets.

Re: Meet the Dread Pirate Roberts, the man behind Silk Road

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Interesting. I have had a theory that DPR is Satoshi (who invented Bitcoin): https://plus.google.com/100577178258662783679/posts/76UcUX4P... But now DPR claims he inherited the site from someone else. DPR could be trying to disassociate himself from the "Satoshi" identity :)

The original DPR was pretty naive, he was selling on his own site with his girlfriend and didn't make any bones about people knowing. He had to hire a lot of help in the early days when the site took off because he didn't know what he was doing, Satoshi would know.

I still remember the SR job ads for database admins and other positions. I always assumed dozens of feds signed up for them.

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