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Re: Firefox 23 is available

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Post by jfb »

Jgrubb wrote: post #13
mmuro wrote: post #12

It feels like OSX will be on Mavericks before the Lion scroll bars are supported in Firefox. I've been using Safari a lot lately. Only thing I'm not crazy about is the inspector. It's easily the worst of all the browsers, but at least they are fixing that in the next update.

Just out of curiosity, why Safari?

I prefer Safari because it integrates into the Apple ecosystem, including e.g. iCloud tabs, Keychain integration, gesture support; because it's a native application; because it's perfectly performant; because it doesn't phone home. I don't write web applications or even use many, so my needs are well satisfied.

Re: Firefox 23 is available

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Post by drcube »

gecko wrote: post #66
ck2 wrote: post #54

Stuck on FF21 until they fix the scaling on windows xp Which might never happen :-(

Why on Earth would you not upgrade to at least Windows 7?

I'm on XP at work. I get a new computer in January though and all the new ones have W7. I must have been one of the last people to get an XP computer here.

This OS is what, 12 years old now? Linux was on version 2.4.x when XP came out. OSX wasn't around yet, or was brand spanking new. I hate MS as much as anyone but that's still pretty impressive.

Re: Firefox 23 is available

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Post by Gormo »

smackfu wrote: post #78
Gormo wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Non-technical users" is a contradiction in terms. If you're using technology, you're a "technical user". If you don't know how certain options work, you should leave them alone; but if you don't leave them alone and something breaks, it takes only common sense and not specialized knowledge to suspect that the thing you changed has some relationship to the thing that broke. De-featuring software for the presumptive c…

Your vision of users is so adorable. Real people just don't act that way.

So the people who do act that way are fake people?

I've worked a helpdesk, and I know where the stereotypes are coming from. I also know that selection bias is selection bias, and that there's never an excuse to remove functionality from software.

Re: Firefox 23 is available

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Post by oneeyedpigeon »

stephen_g wrote: post #51
CapitalistCartr wrote: post #23

So what about "Disable Javascript" option to be removed in Firefox 23? Was it? That is a dealbreaker for me.

They should have just renamed it "Break almost every web site" instead.

Citation required for the claim that "almost every" web site is so badly put together that it breaks if you show up without JS.

Re: Firefox 23 is available

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Post by pitterpatter »

mmuro wrote: post #12

It feels like OSX will be on Mavericks before the Lion scroll bars are supported in Firefox. I've been using Safari a lot lately. Only thing I'm not crazy about is the inspector. It's easily the worst of all the browsers, but at least they are fixing that in the next update.

> It feels like OSX will be on Mavericks before the Lion scroll bars are supported in Firefox.

I use Nightly so I've had the new scroll bars for quite a while now, so I'm inclined to believe they'll be landing sooner rather than later.

Re: Firefox 23 is available

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Post by hrjet »

CapitalistCartr wrote: post #23

So what about "Disable Javascript" option to be removed in Firefox 23? Was it? That is a dealbreaker for me.

I am disappointed too.

Although it's not a deal breaker for me (I am savvy enough to use about:config, NoScript, etc), I think this is bad for users in general. Many of them are not tech-savvy enough to dig into hidden configuration options. Though they certainly deserve better security when they browse the web.

Re: Firefox 23 is available

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Post by esalman »

6cxs2hd6 wrote: post #6

I'm really looking forward to the overhaul on the road map that moves more things off the main UI thread. I keep switching from Chrome to Firefox for reasons of principle ... and keep switching back to Chrome for reasons of performance. I hate myself, but can't help it. Firefox will briefly freeze scrolling a long page. Firefox will beach ball for 15 seconds after resuming laptop from sleep. And so on. None of it is…

I have a 1.07GHz Core-i5 laptop (with Nvidia Optimus) at home and 3GHz Core-i5 desktop at work. I happily use Firefox (Aurora) at work, but at home I have to use Chrome because Firefox is simply way too laggy (it improves a bit when run with Nvidia).

Re: Firefox 23 is available

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Post by esalman »

robin_reala wrote: post #8
6cxs2hd6 wrote: post #6

I'm really looking forward to the overhaul on the road map that moves more things off the main UI thread. I keep switching from Chrome to Firefox for reasons of principle ... and keep switching back to Chrome for reasons of performance. I hate myself, but can't help it. Firefox will briefly freeze scrolling a long page. Firefox will beach ball for 15 seconds after resuming laptop from sleep. And so on. None of it is…

Firefox will beach ball for 15 seconds after resuming laptop from sleep. That really doesn’t sound like normal behaviour? Have you tried the ‘Reset Firefox’ button on about:support? More info at https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/reset-preferences-fix-p...

Reset is not really an option when you have your chosen extensions installed and customized.

Re: Firefox 23 is available

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Post by zobzu »

sbi wrote: post #44

I see that Mozilla is now signing hashes of Firefox downloads with a 4096-bit RSA key. But the key used to sign firefox-23.0.tar.bz2 (id 0x057CC3EB15A0A4BC) is only self-signed and was created three weeks ago. It's not on pgp.mit.edu. Is there any actual way to "validate the authenticity of these keys in an out-of-band manner" as the KEYS file recommends?

the primary key is 2B90 598A 745E 992F 315E 22C5 8AB1 3296 3A06 537A not 5445 390E F5D0 C2EC FB8A 6201 057C C3EB 15A0 A4BC

if you search for the primary its there (at least it's on pgp.mit.edu as far as I can see) it's the primary that you need to trust for the trust to work

For FF 23:

gpg --verify SHA1SUMS.asc gpg: Signature made Tue 30 Jul 2013 09:32:39 PM PDT using RSA key ID 15A0A4BC gpg: Good signature from "Mozilla Software Releases " gpg: WARNING: This key is not certified with a trusted signature! gpg: There is no indication that the signature belongs to the owner. Primary key fingerprint: 2B90 598A 745E 992F 315E 22C5 8AB1 3296 3A06 537A Subkey fingerprint: 5445 390E F5D0 C2EC FB8A 6201 057C C3EB 15A0 A4BC

gpg --sign-key 0x8AB132963A06537A

gpg --verify SHA1SUMS.asc gpg: Signature made Tue 30 Jul 2013 09:32:39 PM PDT using RSA key ID 15A0A4BC gpg: Good signature from "Mozilla Software Releases "

It is however, indeed, only self-signed right now as far as I can see.

Re: Firefox 23 is available

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Post by mmuro »

stephen_g wrote: post #55
mmuro wrote: post #12

It feels like OSX will be on Mavericks before the Lion scroll bars are supported in Firefox. I've been using Safari a lot lately. Only thing I'm not crazy about is the inspector. It's easily the worst of all the browsers, but at least they are fixing that in the next update.

That's interesting - I prefer Safari's web inspector to any other browser... The updates look cool, but currently I find it way more useful than Firefox or Chrome's inspectors.

It drives me crazy it can't remember where I'm at when I refresh and then automatically collapses the code, too.

If you know a way around that, I would love to know.

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