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Re: Tox: secure messaging for everyone

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Post by jessaustin »

latitude wrote: post #47

Oh, I see you helped yourselves to my Secure Chat logo - http://dribbble.com/shots/479881-Secure-Chat http://logopond.com/gallery/detail/165288 https://www.google.ca/search?q=secure+chat+logo - first page hit too Not cool at all, "cool guys around the world". -- (edit) Regardless of whether this was copied, over-inspired or independently conceived (but let's be realistic here), the generally accepted rule of the game…

An hour in, a complaint about icon-plagiarism-via-anonymous-bikeshedding-session is still the top comment on HN for a software project with ambitious technical goals. That in itself is a strong argument for doing one's own work and creating original icons. Assuming for the sake of discussion that Tox is or could be a technically superior solution, do they really want that obscured by this sort of extraneous bullshit?

EDIT: and now I remember where I've heard that name before, as well: http://testrun.org/tox

Perhaps a rebranding effort is in order? That sort of work seems to be right up /g/'s alley? Google is your friend!

Re: Tox: secure messaging for everyone

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Post by salad »

3825 wrote: post #77
unknownian wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We definitely did not steal. People were making mockups for weeks.

It is OK. However if you are making a community project you should definitely change your logo to be distinctive of existing projects. Please fix. The original project expressed their desire to be visually distinct and it would be very nice of you to respect their wishes. This will remove the unnecessary distraction for you. Note that this is not without precedent. Mozilla renamed Firebird to Firefox because of the c…

What existing projects?

Re: Tox: secure messaging for everyone

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Post by kmike84 »

northwest wrote: post #22
lvh wrote: post #5

It is unfortunate that this thing's name collides with tox, the testing tool.

Why not rename one of the two to: detox (it'd even make sense)

There is already a https://pypi.python.org/pypi/detox Python project that provides parallelized tox testing. It is nowhere near as popular as tox (python project) though.

Re: Tox: secure messaging for everyone

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Post by osth »

Questions:

0. How important is simplicity (modularity) to the project?

1. Will Tox work for user "idontrungentoo"? Will it compile on Solaris, BSD, etc.

2. Will the GUI be optional? If not, why is it mandatory?

3. Can Tox work without DHT? What if two users just want to call each other without connecting to tens, hundreds or thousands of strangers? If there are problems with the DHT, are they SOL?

It would be good to have competing teams all working on some similar system (a Skype alternative) and then have an open bake off, instead of just idle criticism in forums like this one. This way we could see which system actually works the best instead of just theorizing about design choices and taking random anecdotes from alleged users in forums on faith.

Re: Tox: secure messaging for everyone

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Post by mempko »

kostyakow wrote: post #34
DanBC wrote: post #8

Github maintained by someone with a troll username? Comments like this: > IMPORTANT: release two major sanctioned UIs, one for autists, one with inbuilt support for the previous list so that plebs can't get confused with setting it up and autists don't complain about it getting in their way. de geso > I would suggest a "Advanced options" where the autists can rejoice with all kinds of options (and it doesn't frighten…

>Github maintained by someone with a troll username? >Comments like this >> IMPORTANT: release two major sanctioned UIs, one for autists, one with inbuilt support for the previous list so that plebs can't get confused with setting it up and autists don't complain about it getting in their way. de geso > I would suggest a "Advanced options" where the autists can rejoice with all kinds of options (and it doesn't fright…

People have evolved to communicate with identities. Never in history have people communicated on such a large scale anonymously. To say it is "true nature of people" is interesting because anon communication isn't natural at all.

Re: Tox: secure messaging for everyone

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Post by latitude »

anologwintermut wrote: post #78
latitude wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I said in the (edit) of the original comment, the originality is secondary to the timing. When you finalize a logo, you typically run a quick due diligence (a Google search) to see if you reinvented a wheel. If you did, you scrape it and start afresh. Tox didn't do that and they should've.

Except, you run that check to make sure your not running afoul of someone's trademark restrictions/ using a logo associated with an existing brand. (Which, unless I am missing something here, they are not.). They should have run it, but just because they found your result doesn't mean they had to scrap something they (allegedly) did themselves. If they came up with it independently(a very legitimate question given th…

> Your basically claiming

I am not claiming this, this is how things work in the logo design industry. There are of course copyrights, trademarks and legal matters, but there are also professional ethics. Ideas and concepts are getting recreated all the time, that's life. But it's also why people post sketches and ask if anyone has seen anything similar, only to discard them and move to another concept.

Re: Tox: secure messaging for everyone

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Post by peterwwillis »

zokier wrote: post #80
peterwwillis wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't think of a real-time streaming multimedia application that uses TCP. It probably exists, but nobody uses it; it's simply easier and more efficient to deal with lossy formats over a medium that doesn't care about data loss. (Note that I said real-time. Buffering is fine for one-way communication, lousy for conversations)

For text chat TCP works perfectly fine. IRC and XMPP are the prime examples.

I wasn't talking about text chat.

Re: Tox: secure messaging for everyone

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Post by unknownian »

jessaustin wrote: post #74
Plexion wrote: post #55

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I think this is a matter of coincidence. The lock and chat bubble leads itself to a familiar look. I'm pretty sure you aren't the first person to think of such a concept, and neither are we. Besides, the icon was made by an anonymous person so it's not really like we can blame anyone.

Besides, the icon was made by an anonymous person so it's not really like we can blame anyone. Isn't that convenient?

Because we made this project just to violate copyright. Sure thing.

Re: Tox: secure messaging for everyone

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Post by Daiz »

latitude wrote: post #86
anologwintermut wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except, you run that check to make sure your not running afoul of someone's trademark restrictions/ using a logo associated with an existing brand. (Which, unless I am missing something here, they are not.). They should have run it, but just because they found your result doesn't mean they had to scrap something they (allegedly) did themselves. If they came up with it independently(a very legitimate question given th…

> Your basically claiming I am not claiming this, this is how things work in the logo design industry. There are of course copyrights, trademarks and legal matters, but there are also professional ethics. Ideas and concepts are getting recreated all the time, that's life. But it's also why people post sketches and ask if anyone has seen anything similar, only to discard them and move to another concept.

You don't actually seem to be using the logo anywhere, though. On your site you write that "I had (have) plans to write an Instant Messenger client with proper support for privacy. This was the logo concept for the project"[1], but this project does not actually seem to exist (at least not in any public manner).

As such, why not just leave the logo of Tox in peace? Especially since it's a FOSS project with noble goals (even if they have yet to reach those goals, which is not surprising considering how early in the development the entire project is) and not some commercial entity intending to profit off of it.

[1] http://swapped.cc/#!/logotypes

Re: Tox: secure messaging for everyone

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Post by theon144 »

mempko wrote: post #85
kostyakow wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Github maintained by someone with a troll username? >Comments like this >> IMPORTANT: release two major sanctioned UIs, one for autists, one with inbuilt support for the previous list so that plebs can't get confused with setting it up and autists don't complain about it getting in their way. de geso > I would suggest a "Advanced options" where the autists can rejoice with all kinds of options (and it doesn't fright…

People have evolved to communicate with identities. Never in history have people communicated on such a large scale anonymously. To say it is "true nature of people" is interesting because anon communication isn't natural at all.

I think you misinterpreted what he meant by "true nature" - it is not "true nature" of people to communicate anonymously; however, doing so exposes the "true nature" of people.

Like Oscar Wilde has said: "Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth."

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