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Rare Cancer Seen In 41 Homosexuals (1981)

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Re: Rare Cancer Seen In 41 Homosexuals (1981)

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Founding the Bubba Gump Shrimp Co is not a historical reference. The restaurant was founded in 1996 as a marketing tie in to the movie. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubba_Gump_Shrimp_Company

Ah, thanks. Got another example I can swap it for? Haven't seen the film in at least a decade.

Little Rock Crisis?

Re: Rare Cancer Seen In 41 Homosexuals (1981)

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What about SARS back in 2003? China first observed SARS in Nov 2002 but didn't report it until February 2003. The responsible virus was identified by April 2003 and the whole disease contained by July. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Severe_acute_respiratory_syndro... I'm not an epidemiologist so I can't compare the relative complexity of the SARS virus to HIV. But I'm skeptical that HIV presented a massive and insurmou…

Of course, SARS was 30 years later... To get some perspective, 1981 was as close to 2013 as it was to 1949. Edit: Yes, I meant 2013, thanks. Point being: I remember the mid (not early) 80's and it SEEMS so recent and modern but it's as far removed from our life today as 1950's life was then.

This made me feel really old, so I checked your math:

  2003 1981 - p
  22
  1981 1949 - p
  32

Re: Rare Cancer Seen In 41 Homosexuals (1981)

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I thought it was pretty obvious. Was also a tad annoying as because she was liberal and anti war and was a sexually liberated woman...well then she is a whore that will get her payback by being given aids. I thought it was a good movie but it had touches of right-wing propaganda.

What's really going to blow your mind is the statistics on who gets HIV infections in the United States today: http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/statistics/basics/ataglance.html What an un-PC virus. Doesn't it know we're living in 2013? I'm told reality is supposed to have a liberal bias now.

It actually didn't suprise me at all that oppressed groups have the highest incident of HIV infection.

Re: Rare Cancer Seen In 41 Homosexuals (1981)

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Ah, thanks. Got another example I can swap it for? Haven't seen the film in at least a decade.

He was named about his relative named Forrest, who was part of a group that wore bed sheets and rode around on horses that also wore bed sheets. - KKK reference. Forrest was at the U. of Ark. during the time of integration, and picked up the book dropped by one of the Little Rock 9. He coined the term 'Shit Happens' and the smiley face t-shirt.

And it looks like that KKK reference is actually a reference to Nathan Bedford Forrest, famous Confederate general and early KKK member.

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Just to give you an idea, the FDA didn't start screening its blood until 1985 after several documented cases where patients received AIDS from blood transfusions. http://aids.gov/hiv-aids-basics/hiv-aids-101/aids-timeline/ Reagan has been criticized for his complete non-response to AIDS as well. He mentioned it in passing in 1985, and didn't actually address the issue until 1987. Since AIDS mostly affected homosexual…

I believe that AIDS wasn't a high priority for Reagan, but from my vantage point it looks like HIV is an instance of an enormously complicated biological challenge being addressed with extraordinary effectiveness and rapidity by the medical establishment. I take your point (and the sibling commenter's point) about the epidemiologic response to AIDS; I may be over-fixated on the research and development side of the is…

It's important to remember that AZT (the first effective anti-retroviral treatment for HIV) was invented in the 60s as part of cancer research. It wasn't until the mid-80s that HIV researchers started testing it.

In other words, it's not as if the drug was invented in response to the AIDS crisis. Once the NIH/NCI made AIDS research a priority, it was a rather straightforward matter to start testing known anti-retroviral drugs. One can reasonably argue that if the government had made HIV research a priority in the late 70s and early 80s, the effective treatments would have been found before the epidemic exploded (for example, contrast to SARS or bird flu, where the index patients are chased down and isolated, and immunological research begins before there are even tens of thousands of patients.)

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Those people exist ? This world, man ...

They show up here every so often: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5317157 and http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=231238 There's even a wikipedia page with a horrible URL that made me think wikipedia suddenly had hierarchical categories: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS_denialism Gotta keep speaking truth to crazy.

Some people have a strong contrarian streak which naturally leads them toward the minority position on many controversial subjects. It's often the exact same people saying that AIDS isn't caused by HIV, that global warming is a fraud, that oil reserves are infinite, that evolution is impossible, etc. etc. I've witnessed this firsthand. I can't explain why they are this way, but it looks like a general attitude of "the popular opinion is more likely to be wrong than right".

Re: Rare Cancer Seen In 41 Homosexuals (1981)

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I thought it was pretty obvious. Was also a tad annoying as because she was liberal and anti war and was a sexually liberated woman...well then she is a whore that will get her payback by being given aids. I thought it was a good movie but it had touches of right-wing propaganda.

What's really going to blow your mind is the statistics on who gets HIV infections in the United States today: http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/statistics/basics/ataglance.html What an un-PC virus. Doesn't it know we're living in 2013? I'm told reality is supposed to have a liberal bias now.

Yes, unfortunately science is rarely PC. Behavior and genetics are by far the strongest determinants of your risk for acquiring HIV. No parade, protest, or law will change that.

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What's really going to blow your mind is the statistics on who gets HIV infections in the United States today: http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/statistics/basics/ataglance.html What an un-PC virus. Doesn't it know we're living in 2013? I'm told reality is supposed to have a liberal bias now.

It actually didn't suprise me at all that oppressed groups have the highest incident of HIV infection.

Yes I've heard that there is new research that shows oppression gives you HIV.

Re: Rare Cancer Seen In 41 Homosexuals (1981)

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"There is no national registry of cancer victims, but the nationwide incidence of Kaposi's Sarcoma in the past had been estimated by the Centers for Disease Control to be less than six-one-hundredths of a case per 100,000 people annually, or about two cases in every three million people. However, the disease accounts for up to 9 percent of all cancers in a belt across equatorial Africa, where it commonly affects chil…

I wondered the same thing... I collected some thoughts but haven't reached a clear conclusion on that. I tend towards common for unrelated reasons.

Kaposi's Sarcoma (KS) is caused by a herpes virus: KSHV, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaposi_sarcoma-associated_herp...

We see KS in HIV patients because they are often concomitant infections and because KS is opportunistic, attacking immune-suppressed people. But, this doesn't mean that KS necessarily goes hand-in-hand with HIV infection.

Particular forms of KS affect younger people: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_cutaneous_Kaposi_sarco... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_lymphadenopathic_Kapos...

KS may have been 9% of all cancers in equatorial Africa just because of a very high KSHV prevalence and because lower life expectancy = fewer age-related cancers.

There was a similar rate recogised since the 1950s http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM200004063421407 This article also notes that KS now accounts for 50% of tumours in some countries, with and without HIV infection.

An NHS article which admits that, even today, they're not exactly sure how many incidents of KS are HIV-related http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Kaposis-sarcoma/Pages/Introduct...

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