Is this a Aprils fools joke? If not this would be unreal.
German Girl Turned Away at Border Due to Private Facebook Messages
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Re: German Girl Turned Away at Border Due to Private Facebook Messages
#82The United States is not going to blow the operational security of a Top Secret program to bust a teenaged nanny. There's more to this poorly-translated story.
also keep in mind that this isn't the Spiegel
Re: German Girl Turned Away at Border Due to Private Facebook Messages
#83It's not totally clear to me that these were private messages.
I know that the Canadian Border services agency will look things up that are posted publicly on the internet to verify stories. My guess is that the messages were public and the immigration staff just looked them up and happened to see them.
Re: German Girl Turned Away at Border Due to Private Facebook Messages
#84It's unclear to me who provided the print-out of Jana's private messages. Obviously it seems much more likely that Jana provided the messages, not Homeland Security. I hired a Canadian once under a TN NAFTA "visa" and he had to bring some correspondence from me to the border. We had to be very careful to word things correctly and not to use specific words that could prevent him from coming to the US. It seems that th…
> Obviously it seems much more likely that Jana provided the messages, not Homeland Security. No, according to the article the printouts were provided by the US immigration officials. In fact, the article draws the inference that the US authorities may have been reading her private Facebook messages for weeks. I'm a native speaker of German; there really isn't any ambiguity here.
No, according to the article the printouts were provided by the US immigration officials.
I think the point is that the facts provided by the article don't seem very likely.
Re: German Girl Turned Away at Border Due to Private Facebook Messages
#85It seems as if she lied to the immigration officers. From the story it is not quite clear how it was discovered, but it seems probable that the story is biased and that there are no secondary sources. Also the comments suggest that. So ??
So? America is horrible. Especially how they won't let us in.
Re: German Girl Turned Away at Border Due to Private Facebook Messages
#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
Data acquisition methods in order of highest probability: 1. ^ This. 2. Was actually public information; story details lost in transmission or translation. 3. Her phone was still logged into Facebook. 4. They gained access to Facebook via links in e-mail. [...] 10. Normal federal law enforcement powers. 11. Special federal law enforcement powers, e.g. Patriot Act. [...] 100. NSA data that requires TS/SAP + full-scope…
They do sometimes ask to see your phone.
Do you recall any specific story where they ask you to unlock it?
Re: German Girl Turned Away at Border Due to Private Facebook Messages
#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Obviously it seems much more likely that Jana provided the messages, not Homeland Security. No, according to the article the printouts were provided by the US immigration officials. In fact, the article draws the inference that the US authorities may have been reading her private Facebook messages for weeks. I'm a native speaker of German; there really isn't any ambiguity here.
No, according to the article the printouts were provided by the US immigration officials. I think the point is that the facts provided by the article don't seem very likely.
Why don't they seem likely? We already know that the NSA had access to private messages from Facebook and other popular sites.
Re: German Girl Turned Away at Border Due to Private Facebook Messages
#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Obviously it seems much more likely that Jana provided the messages, not Homeland Security. No, according to the article the printouts were provided by the US immigration officials. In fact, the article draws the inference that the US authorities may have been reading her private Facebook messages for weeks. I'm a native speaker of German; there really isn't any ambiguity here.
No, according to the article the printouts were provided by the US immigration officials. I think the point is that the facts provided by the article don't seem very likely.
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Re: German Girl Turned Away at Border Due to Private Facebook Messages
#89It's unclear to me who provided the print-out of Jana's private messages. Obviously it seems much more likely that Jana provided the messages, not Homeland Security. I hired a Canadian once under a TN NAFTA "visa" and he had to bring some correspondence from me to the border. We had to be very careful to word things correctly and not to use specific words that could prevent him from coming to the US. It seems that th…
> Obviously it seems much more likely that Jana provided the messages, not Homeland Security. No, according to the article the printouts were provided by the US immigration officials. In fact, the article draws the inference that the US authorities may have been reading her private Facebook messages for weeks. I'm a native speaker of German; there really isn't any ambiguity here.
> the US authorities may have been reading her private Facebook messages for weeks.
That's ridiculous and puts the whole article under doubt. Nobody would waste that much time on her.
Re: German Girl Turned Away at Border Due to Private Facebook Messages
#90Just a note of caution, a friend of mine wanted to send their daughter over to visit the US during the summer before she headed off to college. We were of course happy to let her stay at our place which is a good west coast starting point for things California.
Somewhere in correspondence where she was trying to ask nicely if she could stay at our place she said "I could watch the kids or something" and later in that same correspondence we had said, "no worries, its no trouble for you to stay here." Based on that one statement she was refused entry at SFO and sent back on a plane to Paris and subsequently refused entry into the US for the next 5 years. It was insanely stupid.