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Post by desireco42 »

tptacek wrote: post #70
api wrote: post #54

Actually you laugh, but being spied on by someone with no jurisdiction over you is better than being spied on by someone who can name you an enemy combatant because they misunderstand your e-mails that contain a plot synopsis for a book you're working on or that can label you a child pornographer because you have naked photos of your grandkids playing in your yard.

So that's happened when, in American history?

This happens fairly frequently unfortunately, like this case of paranoia.

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/04/30/baby-taken-from-par...

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Post by djim »

tptacek wrote: post #69
djim wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you ok with the information that has come to light about our government collecting masses of data about US citizens under the guise of fighting terrorism? I think what is coming to light here is that the Government does whatever the fuck it wants and justifies those actions in any way they see fit. As a United States Citizen, I am NOT ok with this.

Interesting. I see a government largely doing what the people of the US voted them into office to do: allocating resources to pursuing organizations (or, really, if we're honest, entire ideologies) that "we" perceive as threats to our security; moreover, from what I can tell, they're doing it within the bounds of the law. I feel the same way about NSA surveillance at this point, on Tuesday June 11, as I do about airp…

I don't jive with your analogy on TSA screening/NSA blanket spying on all citizens. Flying is a choice, in one form or another. We volunteer to be subjected to TSA when we buy a plane ticket. We don't agree to give up our rights as a citizen when we vote people into office, even if we support that candidate's views on fighting terror.

Let's vote this gal/guy into office so we can have our rights suppressed in the name of freedom, said no one ever.

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Post by SeanDav »

tptacek wrote: post #70
api wrote: post #54

Actually you laugh, but being spied on by someone with no jurisdiction over you is better than being spied on by someone who can name you an enemy combatant because they misunderstand your e-mails that contain a plot synopsis for a book you're working on or that can label you a child pornographer because you have naked photos of your grandkids playing in your yard.

So that's happened when, in American history?

I presume you have heard of McCarthyism? There are many, many examples of American abuses on American citizens, where innocent people lost their jobs, friends, families and even lives because of what they believed, or even what the American Government thought they believed.

Imagine the McCarthyism mindset combined with today's surveillance culture and the disaster that would be.

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Post by desireco42 »

rdtsc wrote: post #47
jdminhbg wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this a really subtle joke...? The FSB will very definitely kill you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Anna_Politkovs...

Somehow that is better. It gets people who are involved in it to get their hands bloody. That is necessary when taking lives. It should be damaging to ones psyche and it should be difficult and stressful to kill. It should not be a push of a button. Go blow up kids herding goats all day, then pick up your own kids for soccer practice in Langley at night, that's what we are up to now.

I agree

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Post by alan_cx »

GabrielF00 wrote: post #33
alan_cx wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, at least they got and only got the target. Drone strikes seem to regularly take out many innocents. Or are no A-Rabs innocent?

Seriously? Are you completely unfamiliar with the conflict in Chechnya and the surrounding regions? From Wikipedia's article on the Second Chechen War: > According to the 2001 annual report by Amnesty International: >> There were frequent reports that Russian forces indiscriminately bombed and shelled civilian areas. Chechen civilians, including medical personnel, continued to be the target of military attacks by Rus…

A personal friend of mine, Darren Hickey, was kidnapped by Chechen rebels. As a result of a bungled Chechen attempt to rescue him and his 3 fellow captives, he was beheaded by a road side.

Have a read: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/230215.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1215350.stm

So, yeah, I am fairly familiar with it.

And let me tell you, you are not even slightly comparing the same things.

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Post by temphn »

tptacek wrote: post #70
api wrote: post #54

Actually you laugh, but being spied on by someone with no jurisdiction over you is better than being spied on by someone who can name you an enemy combatant because they misunderstand your e-mails that contain a plot synopsis for a book you're working on or that can label you a child pornographer because you have naked photos of your grandkids playing in your yard.

So that's happened when, in American history?

Catch 22. Worth remembering that this is a secret program, governed by "secret law", run by secret police, with strong penalties (including international manhunts) for those who expose abuses. You want us to rattle off incidents? Then start by giving whistleblowers immunity to actually report abuses.

The "secret law" part is the one that really floors me. The FISA court orders are themselves secret. Ignorance of the law is no excuse. But knowledge of secret law is itself a crime.

America is now watched by secret police.

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Post by ivan_gammel »

cadalac wrote: post #72
Nekorosu wrote: post #12

I'm russian. I've left Russia for good because of weather and politics. Now I'm laughing out loud. All jokes aside it's interesting to observe politics and technology interplay. But I'm not too excited I have to take part in some of the events.

What about the low taxes you would have had there?

For that low taxes you get: 1. Awful state clinics 2. Corrupt police 3. Poor public infrastructure 4. Irresponsible government So, you have to pay separately for security, for medicine etc.

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Post by viveutvivas »

sologoub wrote: post #57

If you are that worried about FSB spying on you, make sure you are not running a Kaspersky product: http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/07/ff_kaspersky/all/ But in all seriousness... it seems to be a rather unfortunate reality of using FREE email service, that the actual level of privacy afforded to you is minimal. Russia has a very stringent set of anti-extremism laws that curb free speech big time. If your content…

Verizon is not a free service. Where's our privacy?

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Post by tptacek »

djim wrote: post #82
tptacek wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting. I see a government largely doing what the people of the US voted them into office to do: allocating resources to pursuing organizations (or, really, if we're honest, entire ideologies) that "we" perceive as threats to our security; moreover, from what I can tell, they're doing it within the bounds of the law. I feel the same way about NSA surveillance at this point, on Tuesday June 11, as I do about airp…

I don't jive with your analogy on TSA screening/NSA blanket spying on all citizens. Flying is a choice, in one form or another. We volunteer to be subjected to TSA when we buy a plane ticket. We don't agree to give up our rights as a citizen when we vote people into office, even if we support that candidate's views on fighting terror. Let's vote this gal/guy into office so we can have our rights suppressed in the nam…

I disagree with you that flying is a "choice" that turns airport security into an opt-in procedure.

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Post by tptacek »

temphn wrote: post #86
tptacek wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So that's happened when, in American history?

Catch 22. Worth remembering that this is a secret program, governed by "secret law", run by secret police, with strong penalties (including international manhunts) for those who expose abuses. You want us to rattle off incidents? Then start by giving whistleblowers immunity to actually report abuses. The "secret law" part is the one that really floors me. The FISA court orders are themselves secret. Ignorance of the…

The FISA cases that authorize surveillance are secret. Laws used to prosecute people are not.
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