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If the NSA Trusted Edward Snowden With Our Data, Why Should We Trust the NSA?

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Re: If the NSA Trusted Edward Snowden With Our Data, Why Should We Trust the NSA?

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All of the comments taking umbrage that the article isn't celebrating Snowden's character are missing the point. While it is entirely possible that he was qualified or even overqualified for the position he had at Booz Allen Hamilton, nothing in his resume suggests that which raises the question who else has access to sensitive data and secrets? The answer could be that Snowden was an exceptional individual and that'…

The security clearance process basically looks for reasonable, honest Americans free of foreign influence. If government actors are abusing their power to such an extent that reasonable, honest Americans free of foreign influence feel morally obligated to blow the whistle, then there are going to be more leaks. It's not a flaw in the system; It's a safeguard against corruption and abuse of the system.

* The security clearance process basically looks for reasonable, honest Americans free of foreign influence.*

That might be enough for domestic intelligence, but it's really shooting yourself in the foot if you apply "free of foreign influence" to overseas intelligence operatives. (Because you'll never be able to recruit anyone whose exposure to the target culture is significantly deeper than a semester attending a foreign university ...)

Re: If the NSA Trusted Edward Snowden With Our Data, Why Should We Trust the NSA?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you don't have anything to hide... oh, why was the government doing it secretly?

"Oh, hey Ahman, hold up real quick, the government just announced that they're tapping my phone. We'll talk again later".

No one is (or should be) saying that the operational aspects can't be kept secret. The problem with this system is not secrecy in operation, but the lack of warrants before the fact and the lack of accountability after the fact.

Imagine such a system in the hands of your least favorite politician and/or party. If you're OK with that, then by all means, carry on. Some of us aren't.

Re: If the NSA Trusted Edward Snowden With Our Data, Why Should We Trust the NSA?

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post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Oh, hey Ahman, hold up real quick, the government just announced that they're tapping my phone. We'll talk again later".

No one is (or should be) saying that the operational aspects can't be kept secret. The problem with this system is not secrecy in operation, but the lack of warrants before the fact and the lack of accountability after the fact. Imagine such a system in the hands of your least favorite politician and/or party. If you're OK with that, then by all means, carry on. Some of us aren't.

Well, there are warrants. Even the Verizon records things was in response to a warrant. There's accountability as well, but we can't see it.

What I am concerned about is the transparency of the arrangement overall. But if NSA said "Hey Guys, we're monitoring Facebook and G+, don't use those if you don't want us to be able to intercept with a warrant!" then that would defeat the purpose of the system entirely. So it's a difficult issue.

I will say that I would feel better if I knew what legal & policy systems they were using to ensure accountability. But honestly we know in general what needs to be done to keep dangerous systems like these used safely, I don't think that's actually the problem. We've kept nuclear weapons and bio-weapons safe, after all. But I would feel better if I knew that NSA had those kinds of onerous formal controls on when systems like PRISM were used.

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