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Re: Oculus Rift co-founder killed by gang trying to escape police

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After watching police chases on TV my whole life, I really want to know: What's the logical strategy in a police chase? Just keep driving after each other? It risks the lives of hundreds living and walking in the path of the chase all for the sake of punishing 1 or 2 individuals. It just doesn't seem to add up to me. What a shame we lost someone so brilliant for nothing.

According to the article they killed a police officer and ran, if you don't pursue them how are you going to catch them? Aftersll, they did murder someone, and apparently they had warrants, so it seems reasonable to assume we dont want them out running around anymore as they sre likely to commit more fiolent crimes. Furthermore, if have a policy to not pursue, then every criminal is always going to run.

The fault is on the criminals, not on the police trying to apprehend them or the pursuit.

Re: Oculus Rift co-founder killed by gang trying to escape police

#82
post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can we even judge? The police back off often when they sense that a chase is too dangerous, they make a judgement call. Sometimes they don't have perfect information however, and shit just happens. It is not like the movies. I'm sure the officers involved are second guessing their behavior now, its not like people die every day like this. But really, its a tough job, we aren't really in a position to judge.

Police in the US are notorious for causing chases in dangerously crowded areas and endangering innocents. So much so they had to pass laws to make it illegal for police to do chases in many cities/situations to stop them. http://www.pursuitsafety.org/ http://kristieslaw.org/ http://abcnews.go.com/US/police-chases-california-injured-10... More bystanders are injured or killed during high-speed police chases than by st…

Notorious? None of those links provide evidence to support that generalization, do you have a source that can?

Re: Oculus Rift co-founder killed by gang trying to escape police

#83
post #67

Was it responsible for the police to chase them at this time? two vehicles full of people involved in some type of criminal activity Was this yet another incident where the police self-escalated the situation? I sure hope there was a precise reason this happened and not that "they smelled pot".

Normally I'd agree, but if you read the entirety of the article (or even half of it) you'll pick up the bit about the fatal shooting at the original scene of the crime (not sure if an officer was killed or one of the alleged criminals).

It's debatable what to do in the aftermath, pursue (the instant gut reaction) or sit tight and hope that other officers in the vicinity can intervene. Usually it's the former, and the consequences seem to involve carnage in one way or another (obviously tragic in this case as an innocent bystander was killed).

Re: Oculus Rift co-founder killed by gang trying to escape police

#84
post #81

After watching police chases on TV my whole life, I really want to know: What's the logical strategy in a police chase? Just keep driving after each other? It risks the lives of hundreds living and walking in the path of the chase all for the sake of punishing 1 or 2 individuals. It just doesn't seem to add up to me. What a shame we lost someone so brilliant for nothing.

According to the article they killed a police officer and ran, if you don't pursue them how are you going to catch them? Aftersll, they did murder someone, and apparently they had warrants, so it seems reasonable to assume we dont want them out running around anymore as they sre likely to commit more fiolent crimes. Furthermore, if have a policy to not pursue, then every criminal is always going to run. The fault is…

Is it feasible to just track them from above with a helicopter? That would reduce the number of speeding cars on the road at least.

Re: Oculus Rift co-founder killed by gang trying to escape police

#85
post #25

I just wanted to say two things here. One, this is an incredibly damaging tragedy. I truly wish the best for the community, for the Reisse and Oculus VR family. Secondly, my father has been an officer of the law for more than 25 years -- can we please not turn a thread which is being used to inform the community at large of a tragedy as a way to defame those who wish to do good in their community. I ask out of respec…

I ask out of respect of Reisse, and my good natured father that we keep at the very least this thread on topic.

Except there's no point in this story if it's not turned into some general political discussion about random aspect of society.

The template of these types of headlines is "Random incident happened to semi-famous tech dude". Therefore it's going to turn into some kind of "Let's discuss policy surrounding random incident".

Generally, these are just bad stories.

Re: Oculus Rift co-founder killed by gang trying to escape police

#86
post #75
post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just because he wrote some code that was used so widely doesn't make him more significant than a janitor who cleans after you, or the "gang" member who was evading the brutal cops for a chance for his freedom. The sooner we realize people are equal because they're human fucking beings the greater hope for humanity to avoid its imminent demise.

What makes someone more significant, then? What's your measure? People aren't equal, you can't make it so by saying it. The man who died was more significant than the man who killed him.

It's like asking what makes 5 greater than 5. Humans are all significant simply because they have rational minds and are rational beings. A human being cannot impose on others a value or worthiness, because we are rational beings and have independent minds. As you probably have noticed by now this is not me saying these things, it's from Immanuel Kant. I found these lectures on the topic absolutely amazing to watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBdfcR-8hEY

Re: Oculus Rift co-founder killed by gang trying to escape police

#87
post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to the article they killed a police officer and ran, if you don't pursue them how are you going to catch them? Aftersll, they did murder someone, and apparently they had warrants, so it seems reasonable to assume we dont want them out running around anymore as they sre likely to commit more fiolent crimes. Furthermore, if have a policy to not pursue, then every criminal is always going to run. The fault is…

Is it feasible to just track them from above with a helicopter? That would reduce the number of speeding cars on the road at least.

Once police have drones high-speed chases become much harder to justify.

Re: Oculus Rift co-founder killed by gang trying to escape police

#88
post #66

Just terrible :( Why does it always seem like the worst and most insignificant wastes of human beings always take away great ones?

Just because he wrote some code that was used so widely doesn't make him more significant than a janitor who cleans after you, or the "gang" member who was evading the brutal cops for a chance for his freedom. The sooner we realize people are equal because they're human fucking beings the greater hope for humanity to avoid its imminent demise.

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Re: Oculus Rift co-founder killed by gang trying to escape police

#89
post #66

Just terrible :( Why does it always seem like the worst and most insignificant wastes of human beings always take away great ones?

Just because he wrote some code that was used so widely doesn't make him more significant than a janitor who cleans after you, or the "gang" member who was evading the brutal cops for a chance for his freedom. The sooner we realize people are equal because they're human fucking beings the greater hope for humanity to avoid its imminent demise.

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Re: Oculus Rift co-founder killed by gang trying to escape police

#90
post #86
post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What makes someone more significant, then? What's your measure? People aren't equal, you can't make it so by saying it. The man who died was more significant than the man who killed him.

It's like asking what makes 5 greater than 5. Humans are all significant simply because they have rational minds and are rational beings. A human being cannot impose on others a value or worthiness, because we are rational beings and have independent minds. As you probably have noticed by now this is not me saying these things, it's from Immanuel Kant. I found these lectures on the topic absolutely amazing to watch:…

It's worth mentioning that all humans are -humans- just like 5 == 5.

However, the fact humans are humans doesn't make them equal. Unlike a number humans have dimensionality. They can be taller, shorter, stronger, weaker, smarter, dumber, richer, poorer etc. Along with any number of other attributes like job, geographical location, father, mother etc.

Equality is a very precise thing and humans are anything but equal.

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