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Re: How to eat healthily for £1 per day – version 0.2

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Post by maratd » Tue, May 28, 2013, 5:53 PM UTC

Nrsolis wrote: post #78

maratd wrote: post #50

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> Here's a real case study; a mother, two children under six years old, mid-twenties, high school dropout, only has a bus pass and foodstamps. This is just as disingenuous as the parent and isn't even close to representing the most common situation. The majority of people don't live next to a market that has proper fresh produce, but demand drives supply and there's a reason they don't. Most upper and middle class fa…

I'm sorry....but I'm going to call B.S. on this one. Whole Foods doesn't have fresh food selection? Really? They don't have fresh chicken? They don't have any vegetables? Please kindly supply me with the address of such a place. When you make blanket statements like "Most upper and middle class families have largely abandoned the concept of fresh produce" I have to question your information. I live in CT, in Fairfiel…

> Whole Foods doesn't have fresh food selection? Really?

I'm sorry, but I'm going to call BS on this one. When was the last time you were in Whole Foods?

When you combine their frozen, refrigerated, packaged goods, and prepared foods sections ... their fresh vegetable section is maybe 1/10 of that size? Which is normal for most grocers in the US.

The local farmer's market? 90% fresh vegetable. Which, you know, makes sense.

Re: How to eat healthily for £1 per day – version 0.2

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Post by tracker1 » Wed, May 29, 2013, 12:09 AM UTC

AlexDanger wrote: post #63

tracker1 wrote: post #58

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Yeah, now open the bottle, use about 1/8th of it a month for a couple months and see which goes bad faster. Also, Olive Oil isn't the only option here. Personally in my kitchen I have coconut oil, olive oil, rice bran oil (about as processed as canola, but much better properties), walnut oil (used sparingly, great flavor) and regular butter. On occasion I'll use regular lard, which is actually pretty healthy. I proba…

Seriously, this is Hacker News, not Fox News. Misinformation has no place here. I'm calling you out. Provide evidence to back up your ludicrous claims. Canola/vegetable oils are just not good for you, do some cursory searches. This is absolute bullshit. Citations please. I wonder if all this scaremongering comes from the fact that Canola oil is much cheaper than other oils? Personally in my kitchen I have coconut oil…

Well, if you search google for canola unhealthy, you get quite a few results, some of which are fud, and hippy nonsense regarding GMO foods, etc. My larger concerns are saturated vs. unsaturated fats and their effect on the growth of metabolic syndrome in this country from crisco and other transfat introductions to the more recent canola oil.

Most of these products are as far from natural as it gets considering the sheer amount of processing involved when compared to say butter, lard, or fats absorbed from regular food intake (nuts, and meat).

A couple of decent articles related to the issue are as follows (note, this isn't just canola vs. others so much as trans fats (not all canola is hydrogenated) and the use of unsaturated vs. saturated fats (canola is unsaturated).

* http://www.marksdailyapple.com/saturated-fat-healthy/#axzz2U... * http://www.diabetesincontrol.com/component/content/article/6... * http://www.menshealth.com/health/saturated-fat

I'm not opposed to GMO, but have been avoiding a lot of different types of fats, and starches for the better part of a year, without reducing my caloric intake, and have done far better with that than the USDA recommendations.

Re: How to eat healthily for £1 per day – version 0.2

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Post by a_bonobo » Wed, May 29, 2013, 7:10 AM UTC

chestnut-tree wrote: post #68

DanBC wrote: post #64

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I'm guessing the nonsense is somehow connected to anti-GM and Monsanto and GM rapeseed. It's not a popular crop in England. People say it's bad for hay fever sufferers. Olive oil does have much better word-of-mouth marketing.

"It's not a popular crop in England" I wouldn't say that exactly. There's been a small surge in its popularity. You can find bottles of cold-pressed rapeseed oil in most supermarkets (at fairly premium prices). Many of these cold-pressed varieties have come from small-scale producers. Also, a lot of oil in supermarkets simply labelled as vegatable oil is in fact rapeseed oil.

Australia's KFC recently switched to Canola Oil [1], I think because it's cheaper to use the local oil than to import. Maybe other companies will follow?

From the press release: >High-oleic canola oil contains more oleic acid (a monounsaturated fat) and less polyunsaturated fats (namely alpha-linolenic acid and linoleic acid), allowing for greater heat tolerance and longer shelf life than regular canola oil.

>A healthier, home-grown alternative to palm oil, high-oleic canola oil also has an extended fry life and is thus more cost efficient than regular canola oil.

Source: [2]

[1] http://www.kfc.com.au/nutrition/canola-oil.asp

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Re: How to eat healthily for £1 per day – version 0.2

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Post by Nrsolis » Thu, May 30, 2013, 5:29 PM UTC

maratd wrote: post #81

Nrsolis wrote: post #78

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I'm sorry....but I'm going to call B.S. on this one. Whole Foods doesn't have fresh food selection? Really? They don't have fresh chicken? They don't have any vegetables? Please kindly supply me with the address of such a place. When you make blanket statements like "Most upper and middle class families have largely abandoned the concept of fresh produce" I have to question your information. I live in CT, in Fairfiel…

> Whole Foods doesn't have fresh food selection? Really? I'm sorry, but I'm going to call BS on this one. When was the last time you were in Whole Foods? When you combine their frozen, refrigerated, packaged goods, and prepared foods sections ... their fresh vegetable section is maybe 1/10 of that size? Which is normal for most grocers in the US. The local farmer's market? 90% fresh vegetable. Which, you know, makes…

Dude, I shop at Whole Foods every week.

The point everyone was making was that good healthy food is available. It might not be the BULK of what's on sale. But it's certainly AVAILABLE.

Here is a quote from you: "Not a single one of them has any significant fresh food selection."

I can get almost any fresh meat I desire and nearly any vegetable at my store. I think you need to reconsider your language.

Re: How to eat healthily for £1 per day – version 0.2

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Post by cboppert » Mon, Jun 03, 2013, 5:37 AM UTC

ctdonath wrote: post #76

cboppert wrote: post #74

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I think this may be a little off. In fact a lot of poorer urban areas have relatively little access to fresh produce and have been dubbed "food desserts". See: http://newsone.com/1540235/americas-worst-9-urban-food-deser...

What does one do if in a desert, with nigh unto no food available and conditions oppressive? MOVE. Most of these "food deserts" are that way because harsh socioeconomic conditions (to wit: disinterest in quality products, coupled with prolific theft) made commerce in suitable foods untenable. Complain about "food justice" all you want, but the next meal is just a few hours away as is the next bus ticket. Demanding so…

Because it is always just as easy as moving. Libertarian I bet.