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Re: What's next Google? Dropping SMTP support?

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Post by NicoJuicy »

CloudNine wrote: post #66
capo wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GTalk is still as is. As for YouTube it is and always have been available on the web for windows phone. Microsoft in clear violation of Google's TOS used undocumented APIs and stripped ads from YouTube and now they have the audacity to say that they would have complied by the TOS if it suited them better. Please take your anti-Google (probably Microsoft sponsored astroturf) elsewhere: https://news.ycombinator.com/sub…

Can we comment on the stories and not the commenters themselves? What is this? A witch hunt?

capo actually has a point :)

Re: What's next Google? Dropping SMTP support?

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Post by capo »

recoiledsnake wrote: post #77
capo wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope. You just joined to ask me that?

And I don't work for Microsoft, never worked for them or any affiliates nor own their stock or ever owned it and the closest that I know I was ever to any MS employee was when I was interviewing in Seattle at Amazon for a C++/Linux position. Now, can we get on with the discussion instead of trying to derail it by ad hominem attacks?

There is no "discussion" going on, you are just repeating fact-free Microsoft press statements.

If you're not getting paid you should be.

Re: What's next Google? Dropping SMTP support?

#83

Post by threeseed »

capo wrote: post #60
recoiledsnake wrote: post #47

Wait, so Google is dropping XMPP support because Outlook.com is supporting it to allow Gtalk users to chat on Outlook.com, so in order to perpetuate the GMail/GTalk lock-in by caging the Gtalk chat users to GMail, they're dropping standards support and killing access to all XMPP clients in existence including non-Microsoft ones? And they announce this right when Microsoft spent all the time and effort to allow Outloo…

GTalk is still as is. As for YouTube it is and always have been available on the web for windows phone. Microsoft in clear violation of Google's TOS used undocumented APIs and stripped ads from YouTube and now they have the audacity to say that they would have complied by the TOS if it suited them better. Please take your anti-Google (probably Microsoft sponsored astroturf) elsewhere: https://news.ycombinator.com/sub…

How about attacking the argument instead of the person ?

Trying to paint this black/white picture of someone just because they disagree with you is frankly pathetic.

Re: What's next Google? Dropping SMTP support?

#84

Post by CloudNine »

capo wrote: post #71
CloudNine wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can we comment on the stories and not the commenters themselves? What is this? A witch hunt?

You don't think it's relevant? Microsoft is paying millions to run anti-Google attack ads and smear campaigns everywhere, it's not unthinkable that they would hire astroturf to roam sites like HN, so for the sake of the health of this community they ought to be pointed out.

No, it is not really that relevant.

If Microsoft is paying recoiledsnake a billion dollars to make that post, does it change any of the facts in it? No? Then why whinge about possible or probably astroturfing instead of just addressing the facts in their post?

Unless you want HN to do a full background check on every poster here, it's hard to identify Google/Apple/Microsoft fans/haters/employees/shareholders. You have the option to remain silent, vote and move on if you're not interested in a post.

Re: What's next Google? Dropping SMTP support?

#85

Post by iamshs »

capo wrote: post #71
CloudNine wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can we comment on the stories and not the commenters themselves? What is this? A witch hunt?

You don't think it's relevant? Microsoft is paying millions to run anti-Google attack ads and smear campaigns everywhere, it's not unthinkable that they would hire astroturf to roam sites like HN, so for the sake of the health of this community they ought to be pointed out.

Just because you are paranoid, does not give you the right to label anyone as paid for roaming a site and attacking your favourite company. This feels like the "either you are with us or them" mentality". Please, if you do not have the proof, do not go down this path. It is dangerous, and lets anyone label anyone as being a shill and paid commentator.

Re: What's next Google? Dropping SMTP support?

#86

Post by threeseed »

capo wrote: post #71
CloudNine wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can we comment on the stories and not the commenters themselves? What is this? A witch hunt?

You don't think it's relevant? Microsoft is paying millions to run anti-Google attack ads and smear campaigns everywhere, it's not unthinkable that they would hire astroturf to roam sites like HN, so for the sake of the health of this community they ought to be pointed out.

Do you have some proof that this person works for Microsoft ?

Because if you don't then YOU are the one degrading the quality of HN with baseless allegations.

Re: What's next Google? Dropping SMTP support?

#87

Post by Samuel_Michon »

wslh wrote: post #75
recoiledsnake wrote: post #47

Wait, so Google is dropping XMPP support because Outlook.com is supporting it to allow Gtalk users to chat on Outlook.com, so in order to perpetuate the GMail/GTalk lock-in by caging the Gtalk chat users to GMail, they're dropping standards support and killing access to all XMPP clients in existence including non-Microsoft ones? And they announce this right when Microsoft spent all the time and effort to allow Outloo…

> I guess open standards don't work when you're the guy trying to lock in users. That's obvious for Google too. They don't open source their search engine (or even Google Reader!). They open source a browser and an operating system to sell other stuff. For Google open source is a weapon.

“They open source a browser and an operating system to sell other stuff.”

No, those were already open source before Google got involved, so Google didn’t really have a choice.

Re: What's next Google? Dropping SMTP support?

#88

Post by adrinavarro »

VikingCoder wrote: post #58
recoiledsnake wrote: post #47

Wait, so Google is dropping XMPP support because Outlook.com is supporting it to allow Gtalk users to chat on Outlook.com, so in order to perpetuate the GMail/GTalk lock-in by caging the Gtalk chat users to GMail, they're dropping standards support and killing access to all XMPP clients in existence including non-Microsoft ones? And they announce this right when Microsoft spent all the time and effort to allow Outloo…

So, to be clear, Google is supposed to make video chat with groups of people, recording to YouTube, desktop sharing, and Google Docs live editing work with XMPP? Or else they're evil?

I don't care too much about video chat, YouTube, etc, etc… Just about the plain old XMPP/Jabber user-to-user that was the base for Google Talk and that has been around for many years. The ability to talk with users from different providers.

That is being open. Without XMPP federation, we're effectively locked into Google. And it's just a matter of time that they drop XMPP altogether and we have to use their own protocol for chatting.

Re: What's next Google? Dropping SMTP support?

#89

Post by capo »

iamshs wrote: post #78
capo wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GTalk is still as is. As for YouTube it is and always have been available on the web for windows phone. Microsoft in clear violation of Google's TOS used undocumented APIs and stripped ads from YouTube and now they have the audacity to say that they would have complied by the TOS if it suited them better. Please take your anti-Google (probably Microsoft sponsored astroturf) elsewhere: https://news.ycombinator.com/sub…

Except, Microsoft did not strip ads from the videos. They said yesterday that they will be happy to serve ads if Google lets them access. And please, let the legal departments decide if it is a clear violation or not. Do not take a decision on your own. I think you are the one who is astro-turfing here, if i apply the finger pointing criteria to you too. It is better if you reply to the argument leaving your personal…

http://readwrite.com/2013/05/09/microsoft-youtube-app-rule-b...

They built an unauthorized app and now they are complaining that the app is unauthorized.

Re: What's next Google? Dropping SMTP support?

#90

Post by donalmacc »

capo wrote: post #73
donalmacc wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eh... https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=capo Something about the pot calling the kettle black? You don't work for google by any chance do you?

Nope. You just joined to ask me that?

It's two lines of a form to fill in. I think it's unfair for you to give out to that guy about touting MS looking at your comment history. All I can see in that is defending Google, nothing more. Also picking on people for defending other companies
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