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Traffic From Syria Disappears From Internet

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Re: Traffic From Syria Disappears From Internet

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What disturbs me is how many people in other countries (like the USA) feel that this type of thing could never happen here. However, it seems that even in the US the internet could be controlled by the government/army if they so desired and various proposed 'internet control' legislation packages seem to push us one step closer toward that possibility.

While it could possibly happen, it would be very difficult, even if the US government (and general power in the US) was much more powerful and organized than it currently is. The US is big, and the borders between the US and Canada and Mexico are also big; there's a lot of room to set up some discreet wires or even microwave transmitters and receivers some distance from the borders. Latency would be crap at first but would get better over time. It would be harder to get a packet from the US to a European country if all trans-ocean cables were cut, but not impossible, and at that point we're probably well into WW3. The US population is also well educated as a whole (still with many offline centers of gaining technical knowledge--i.e. books) and many citizens would have strong motivations to get the internet back, there are many large concentrations of highly technical nerds who wouldn't be afraid to start wiring up their own internet (I'd love to see a wireless mesh network take over), there are lots of computers and routers and cat5 in circulation and other useful equipment as well. Many people also have printers, flash drives, and cars, it would not be hard to communicate across cities and states with a sneakernet. For a total internet blackout cutting US citizens off from other citizens (intra country) and from the world, the amount of individual and corporate cooperation with the government which the people would hate (for taking away their access to cat videos among other things) and powerful businesses would hate (for hurting their profits) is astounding.

Re: Traffic From Syria Disappears From Internet

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> There is civil war. There is NO civil war in Syria. There is a campaign of terrorism waged by NATO, specifically Turkey , Qatar, Isreal, UK, France to secure the transit for the South Pars/North Dome gas field. http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/08/20128513344... What's at stake? About $200 billion annual output between Iran & Qatar. That's about $360,000 per SECOND. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Pa…

You do realize that NATO is a separate entity from the UK, Israel, France, etc. right? Unless you can show actual NATO forces what you've said is the equivalent of saying that the UN is waging a terrorism campaign because some of its member states happened to allegedly be involved. And while I agree the Al Jazeera link is thought-provoking, that's all I could see in there. Thought-exercises about who benefits from wh…

UK Ambulances are hanging out near the Syria-Turkey border every fucking day. See my other comments if you are curios how I know this.

Or, here is a quick hint for you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi_al-Harati

Al Jazeera link is not thought-provoking, it's what the truth is.

Re: Traffic From Syria Disappears From Internet

#83
post #77

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So what?! My brother studies in Hatay, a city near Syria. This city used to be a safe, liberal city. Until the fucking "civil war". Now, it's filled by a kind of some radical islamists migrated from Syria because of the "civil war". Now women and children in Hatay are afraid of going out of their home because their streets are full of aggressive and criminal North Syrian extreme islamists. Check those links. This war…

The links don't help though. The main one is an Op-Ed piece. The other is from GlobalResearch which is borderline conspiracy drivel.

If you are looking for the truth, it's really not hard. Go to Youtube, search about the street reviews in Syria made by BBC, see how Syrian people expressed themself to rest of the world.

Re: Traffic From Syria Disappears From Internet

#84
post #69

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Even with the printout in hand, how does the recipient actually make the coin "theirs"? Can't the sender thwart the transaction if they gain Internet access before the recipient is able to (by transferring the coin to a wallet that's ready to receive it right away)?

People can write bad checks or create fake money orders too. It holds as much value as the faith the recipient puts into it.

Which is why many places don't accept checks. In other words they don't consider it a valid currency.

Re: Traffic From Syria Disappears From Internet

#85
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With the printout of the raw TX, the recipient would just broadcast it on the p2p network (sendrawtransaction), that's how he would give himself the coins. As to your other questions, it make no sense. In what situation would person A, offline in a state of civil war, absolutely need to send money to person B, and then would need to steal the coins back??

Your description seems to assume that A is offline and B is online. What happens when two bitcoin users are both offline for a prolonged period and A gains access first and moves his BTC to another wallet before B can submit the transaction? What mechanism beyond individual trust permits this to be an effective means of monetary transaction? Would you trust someone writing you a check in a war zone with no access to…

If the 2 parties are both offline, then yes the sender needs to be trusted to guarantee he won't attempt to steal the coin back.

Re: Traffic From Syria Disappears From Internet

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post #82
post #78

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You do realize that NATO is a separate entity from the UK, Israel, France, etc. right? Unless you can show actual NATO forces what you've said is the equivalent of saying that the UN is waging a terrorism campaign because some of its member states happened to allegedly be involved. And while I agree the Al Jazeera link is thought-provoking, that's all I could see in there. Thought-exercises about who benefits from wh…

UK Ambulances are hanging out near the Syria-Turkey border every fucking day. See my other comments if you are curios how I know this. Or, here is a quick hint for you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi_al-Harati Al Jazeera link is not thought-provoking, it's what the truth is.

And what exactly does UK having ambulances in Turkey actually prove? It could just as easily be a bunch of do-gooders getting bored of eating soy and protesting against GMOs trying to help out the Syrian refugees they know would be there.

In the meantime the evil WASPs plotting secret plans to funnel petrodollars to their bank accounts would be using completely non-descript vehicles because they're not f'in stupid.

The link you've posted about Mahdi has absolutely nothing surreal except for the idea that the CIA might have paid him.... to help overthrow Gaddafi. That's the dictator that NATO actually was dropping bombs on, so why should it have been surprising that the CIA was helping push that along, exactly?

Re: Traffic From Syria Disappears From Internet

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You can memorize the keys to a bitcoin account and carry your wealth with you in your head until you get to a place with an internet connection. Better that than diamonds in tubes of toothpaste.

Go on :) Lets see how long it will take, and how many times you will be able to reproduce it without error. qWoXWwQQQyVF69SkJfGgG/x9ehR8NQmXwDvLxMbh2iALkGe0nd+NiFgvtXseoHn0 mEfjKXDbMMY7wyU8Xv1yNQGYw/V+pnfG/qiw8dirIF5jQOQprS/5YWt2Ts803pzu Y8V+FhMHoKtKozHKemH6THRQ0QbasdlO21+uwk7HGtKZh60NSEre+90I9GNEE8lO Vjq1r5YwdHpe7VZAyAYdJOJCS2wKKh7yJowOBLReyF7nR+hKw4ZAXibmg0/WM6tF tcccKbNPZZDYt9han1SsiCFew/6dUNoa5Qt+Q9wiDrZ9YLqRduUL…

There are wallets that let you do that. Eg:

"Electrum [...] allows you to recover your wallet from a secret phrase." [1]

[1] http://bitcoin.org/en/choose-your-wallet

Re: Traffic From Syria Disappears From Internet

#88
post #84
post #69

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People can write bad checks or create fake money orders too. It holds as much value as the faith the recipient puts into it.

Which is why many places don't accept checks. In other words they don't consider it a valid currency.

Yea, bitcoin almost completely fails as a currency when the receiver doesn't have an internet connection.

Re: Traffic From Syria Disappears From Internet

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This doesn't deal with the other thing I mentioned, which is that the blockchains will fork without a global view of the network. This means you could spend btc gained before the fork in one segment and spend them again in another segment, and that if you got new btc in one segment, it would be invalid in all the other segments. Also, as another has pointed out, this is ridiculously implausible when compared with oth…

I was almost with you until the end. Gold/silver suffer a similar problem, unless you actually physically possess the metal then the certificates are of little value unless they are redeemable via some trusted 3rd party. In a shit hits the fan scenario, no such trust is likely to be present.

Yes, I agree. Those who hold gold through passthroughs, depositories, or similar mechanisms are not likely to fare well. It's only applicable for metals owned directly.

Re: Traffic From Syria Disappears From Internet

#90
post #36

> There is civil war. There is NO civil war in Syria. There is a campaign of terrorism waged by NATO, specifically Turkey , Qatar, Isreal, UK, France to secure the transit for the South Pars/North Dome gas field. http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/08/20128513344... What's at stake? About $200 billion annual output between Iran & Qatar. That's about $360,000 per SECOND. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Pa…

Well, let's suppose what you said is all true. That doesn't preclude the fact the regime is playing this game as well and in fact is utilizing it to its advantage. The fact of the matter is, Syria has been under the control of a mafia-like government for over 40 years, and ruled by one family. It's one of the most repressive regimes on earth.

You're also forgetting that the revolution started peacefully. People protested simply for freedom and liberty, which all human beings aspire for. It was the suppressive and violent actions of the government, which immediately resorted to killing its own citizens, that has lead the conflict to eventually turn violent and to where it is now.

No matter what the global interests are, it's the very actions of the suppressive regime that's worsening the situation and leading to the country's destruction. None of this would exist and we wouldn't be talking about it today, had the mafia-like government initially conceded to the will of the people and worked on transitioning the country to a fully democratic government. But notice the "mafia-like" adjective? A mafia-like government obviously does not have the best interest of the country in mind, so they're not going to adopt the will of the people and threaten their iron-grip rule. They're going to suppress every dissent with maximum force. That's exactly what has been happening for over 40 years.

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