What sane woman would get into tech, when being a lawyer or MBA is so much more lucrative?
Maybe in 1996. MBA and lawyers are now in oversupply, have high debt load, family unfriendly hours, flat salaries since 2007 and nobody is hiring.
Stop complaining about the lack of women in tech
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Re: Stop complaining about the lack of women in tech
#82After a blow-up in my town a few months ago, I tried to encourage a few notable female tech proponents that negativity was not the way to win the fight. I was publicly lambasted, called denigrating names, had false information spread as far as cities 3000 miles away, and even had a meme made about me (containing incorrect info, imagine that). Negativity breeds nothing but negativity. I often fall into the trap myself…
Women: stop complaining. Leave that to us.
Read the article. (Or better yet, just its headline.) It doesn't focus on men. It focusses on how bitter angry women are holding females back. An article men can upvote!
We know the power of the Dark Side, and warn you from it. For your own good, naturally. The best advice comes from people who don't take it themselves.
Be a team player. We men never complain. (Except for this one subject.) Can you imagine Larry Ellison complaining? Steve Jobs? Bill Gates? No, of course not. This trait they shared with Jesus, who famously also never complained.
(Now, you may google that and ask, "What about the Pharisees? And a fig tree he cursed to wither and die, because for some reason it didn't give him fruit out of season? Plus, wasn't he always complaining about his Apostles?" The answer is that was the historical brown Jesus, and you know how uppity Middle Easterners are. I'm talking about White Jesus with the soft eyes. Who's all about turning the other cheek and taking it.)
Re: Stop complaining about the lack of women in tech
#83What sane woman would get into tech, when being a lawyer or MBA is so much more lucrative?
"[Company] is looking to grow our team with energetic software engineers ready to take on the hardest challenges of their career. Day-to-day responsibilities include challenging and interesting work on algorithms, databases, web technologies, human-computer interaction, scalability and systems architecture."
This position sounds stimulating. Perhaps some ladies are also motivated to pursue careers more for passion than profit?
Re: Stop complaining about the lack of women in tech
#84Rebecca J. Rosen’s suggestion that men take a pledge to appear only on panels that include at least one female speaker again reinforced the idea that women are underrepresented in this area. In fact, in pointing out that it’s unlikely no women are qualified for these panels, and yet there are still no women appearing on them, Rebecca is reinforcing the idea that this is an unfair and unexplainable issue for women to fight against
The idea that no women on a conference panel implies the conference organizers believe no women are even "qualified" (whatever that means) to be on the panel and, ipso facto, sexism must be at play is on its face so stupid and devoid of meaning that it reads like a paragraph from a contrived newspaper used as a prop in a bad movie.
Re: Stop complaining about the lack of women in tech
#85The lack on women in tech is much like the lack of women in gaming. Guys have pissing matches and are crude to each other. When they do that with women to it is not acceptable workplace behvior. It isn't acceptable when it is just men either, but legal gets involved when you treat a woman with the same level of disrespect.
This is not mirrored in female dominated professions. There is a shortage of male teachers and nurses, but it isn't because the women are so disrespectful of the men.
Re: Stop complaining about the lack of women in tech
#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's like asking why do women dominate nursing and teaching jobs? Is it sexism? Is it because men are incapable of doing the jobs? How come there's no big outcry to equalize nursing so that men are 50% of the field? How about teaching, women also dominate that field. Women outnumber men 2 to 1 in high school teaching. They account for 85% of all primary school teachers. No outcries to equalize those numbers? Must be…
Teaching and nursing are both fields where you need a degree to start participating. And if you look at the discussions in those fields, there's certainly strong concern about lack of males in teaching and mild concern about lack of males in nursing. Tech doesn't require a degree - it's a field anyone with a free evening can pick up. It also bears a significantly broader scope than nursing or teaching.
> Tech doesn't require a degree - it's a field anyone with a free evening can pick up.
And yet here we are, wondering why so many programmers don't seem to have the skills they need in the profession.
Re: Stop complaining about the lack of women in tech
#87What sane woman would get into tech, when being a lawyer or MBA is so much more lucrative?
For example, any woman who has some priorities aside money, and who doesn't enjoy those careers.
Money is the main reason why we need jobs, but that doesn't mean that a job's only purpose is to earn the maximum amount of money.
Re: Stop complaining about the lack of women in tech
#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
Prime Ministers? Parlour Maids? Post Modernists?
I'm going to take a huge leap here and assume P roject M anager. A pretty common abbreviation in tech, the context should have tipped you off. --- edit: One startup I worked for that focused on improving federal regulation compliance in the banking sector had a team of 5 project managers, 1 was male. Our product management team was entirely female.
I'm in academia - we don't have project managers (but post-modernists abound).
Re: Stop complaining about the lack of women in tech
#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's like asking why do women dominate nursing and teaching jobs? Is it sexism? Is it because men are incapable of doing the jobs? How come there's no big outcry to equalize nursing so that men are 50% of the field? How about teaching, women also dominate that field. Women outnumber men 2 to 1 in high school teaching. They account for 85% of all primary school teachers. No outcries to equalize those numbers? Must be…
Teaching and nursing are both fields where you need a degree to start participating. And if you look at the discussions in those fields, there's certainly strong concern about lack of males in teaching and mild concern about lack of males in nursing. Tech doesn't require a degree - it's a field anyone with a free evening can pick up. It also bears a significantly broader scope than nursing or teaching.
> Teaching and nursing are both fields where you need a degree to start participating.
How is that relevant?
Re: Stop complaining about the lack of women in tech
#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The goal of getting women into tech should be to equalize the gender ratio of the people who actually _are_ in tech to that of the people who _want_ to be in tech. That's a bad idea -- it would stigmatize those who entered the field by such a program that they were given their positions, rather then earning them. The same problem exists in race relations, where equality by law conceals equality by merit. Women are…
I don't think the OP meant to achieve this goal with law.
Yes, I most certainly didn't.