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Re: Dumped by Google

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Alright but then how do you safely store your important data? Imagine if the same thing happened with Dropbox (if you're using it).

The same way you always used to: on media that you control in more than one location.

I used to store my data on an external hard drive, which I don't control in more than one location.

Re: Dumped by Google

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post #24

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Alright but then how do you safely store your important data? Imagine if the same thing happened with Dropbox (if you're using it).

I keep my data safe by storing it on hardware I control and never depending on cloud-service providers.

What if your apartment get robbed? This is the main reason I bought a Dropbox account.

Re: Dumped by Google

#83
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The most interesting part was the reason he believes the account was suspended. He was working on a spreadsheet containing usernames and passwords. If that's really the case, it means some automated system scans not only your email, but documents you work on, for things like password lists, and right away assumes you're up to no good, killing your account. Scary.

Sounds like a really wild accusation to me. Is their anything to back this up besides their speculation?

Re: Dumped by Google

#84
post #75

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> You should not rely on services you're not paying for Whereas you should rely on services you're paying for? How are they different? Terms of service even for paid services are BS anyway, and it's not like you will sue them.

Because I believe P(service available to me | I'm paying for it) is higher than P(service available to me | I'm not paying for it) for most services where both are an option. I'm not going to go into all the reasons for that belief. I'm sure you're a creative person and can guess some of them. Suffice it to say that I think there is some reason to believe it. If you don't, by all means run your important business pro…

Seems like a fallacy to me.

It's not as clear cut as the P vs P you make it be, anyway. In many cases you're better of with Google that with some _small_ paying service your paying $20/month to use, merely because Google has more money/people/tech to spend on making the service better, avoiding to fall under, etc.

As for paying a _large_ company to their service, well, if you're like 0.001% of the profits of the service you're paying for, you're not much of a customer with influence, no matter how much you pay. And in most pay-for services you are just that, a small decimal percentage of their business.

Now you could count on your interests aligned with the other customers (so that they could not annoy you without annoying a large percentage of their users) but there lots of cases where that's not the case.

Re: Dumped by Google

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post #83
post #66

The most interesting part was the reason he believes the account was suspended. He was working on a spreadsheet containing usernames and passwords. If that's really the case, it means some automated system scans not only your email, but documents you work on, for things like password lists, and right away assumes you're up to no good, killing your account. Scary.

Sounds like a really wild accusation to me. Is their anything to back this up besides their speculation?

I know our consulting company for 2 years kept a sheet of logins as do most agencies so I find that hard to believe... However, I do recall getting my Adsense account banned for click fraud - which really sucked but it was true that I had my friends all click my ads and that my site was basically just ripping off pop culture content with naive hopes of getting rich quick - ah the 200's. so no suprise it got banned.

Re: Dumped by Google

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post #35

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It's plausible. I've personally seen phishing done via google docs. And, at one point, Oxford blocked google docs because of phishing. So phishing via docs is probably a common occurrence. To combat this, I wouldn't be surprised if Google had software that tried to detect this (maybe look for spreadsheets of username/passwords), and shut down the accounts associated with it.

Spreadsheets of usernames and passwords are very common - many companies use this to share access internally (not that that's a good idea, but that's a different topic). I've talked to dozens who haven't had their Google accounts shut down. I'd be truly surprised if this was the only reason for the ToS violation.

Extremely common. Everyone on my team has a spreadsheet full of usernames, passwords and API keys for test data.

Re: Dumped by Google

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I'm wondering if this is the mindset that most people have. The idea of putting you're entire personal dataset (and work dataset?) into a free service has always seemed terrifying to me. Especially one whose entire business model is based on using that data to serve you ads! I keep local copies of everything and backup daily. I don't trust anyone with such a complete picture of my digital life. 'The cloud' is overrated, at least the free, ad supported version is IMHO.

Re: Dumped by Google

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post #44

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If it happened with Dropbox, you would still have a local copy. Keep a backup on media you own. Or, at the very least, mirrored across different providers.

Until dropbox wipes their side and waits for you to sync...

This thing happened to my ex, although it's more likely she did the wipe. She had her home machine and two office machines synched with DB, and her stuff was gone at home and Office One. We went to Office Two, disconnected from the net, turned the machine on and copied her data to USB.

Re: Dumped by Google

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post #83
post #66

The most interesting part was the reason he believes the account was suspended. He was working on a spreadsheet containing usernames and passwords. If that's really the case, it means some automated system scans not only your email, but documents you work on, for things like password lists, and right away assumes you're up to no good, killing your account. Scary.

Sounds like a really wild accusation to me. Is their anything to back this up besides their speculation?

There's also the question of whether the original poster was telling the truth, or even told the whole story. If for example, the spreadsheet had a form for the entry of usernames and passwords, and someone came across it (maybe because it was e-mailed out to lots of people), and reported it as an attempted account phishing form, that would certainly explain an account getting suspended for an TOS violation --- and as far as I know, someone who is trying to use their Google account for phishing doesn't get escalating warnings... and I think most people would agree with this.
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