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Re: I pirated Game of Thrones season premiere

#81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The percentage of piracy demonstrates that there is a demand for the product but the consumers don't want to pay for it. World of Goo is the example I used because it's a "perfect" product under the check list provided in the article: great product (90/100) affordable ($20 for a game that takes >10 hours to complete) same price in all markets, unrestricted, same availability everywhere.

The elephant in the room is, of that 80% of piraters, what percentage of them were actual potential customers at the $20 price, and what percentage had no interest in the game at that price. If 0% of the piraters were really customers, then you lost nothing through pirating and sold to the entirety of your actual customer base, which just happens to be only 20% of all the people who have your product. If 100% of the…

I haven't played games in a long time but when I did magazines would give away discs with demos of games that had just been released. Is it possible to try games before you buy, on steam for example, or do you have to jump in and buy the game without trying it?

Re: I pirated Game of Thrones season premiere

#82

People have always been, and always will be, willing to pay for good products. We have always understood Return on Investment, even if we don’t call it that. Which is why World Of Goo[0], a fantastic indie game that was priced at $20, that has a 90 / 100 Metacritic score[1], that has absolutely no DRM is a game that had over 80% piracy rate at launch? The "People want to pay it's just the companies stopping them" arg…

Look, the "people want to pay" argument is as much bunk as your "people want stuff consequence free" argument. Both are oversimplifying, both focus on extreme ends of the truth.

Think of piracy and legitimate media sources as competing services. Looking at the "consequences" of using a service is only one aspect of the value of that service to the user. Likewise, looking at the ease-of-use for a service is only one aspect of its value to the user. There are many criteria to evaluate services on, such as price, availability, convenience, security risks, additional services, legal and moral consequences.

Internet piracy is always going to be cheaper than legitimate sources (unless content providers and ISPs start bundling services together cheaply). This means that legitimate media sources have to beat piracy in other areas in order to stay competitive. The fact is, many media industries have focused heavily on the legal and moral consequences side of things, while continuing to provide a service that is actually WORSE than piracy in terms of availability and convenience. This is probably the least consumer friendly way of dealing with the issue, and rightly draws a lot of criticism.

These days, services like Netflix and Steam provide convenience and availability, with addition services (such as support and recommendation services) that are valuable to the consumer. Plus, there is the added benefit that these legitimate sources don't provide malware and other security risks present in pirated media (especially games).

The "people want to pay" argument is really just a way of saying that there is a significant market share that would be attracted to legitimate media sources that provide a quality of service competitive with piracy, but otherwise would be motivated to use piracy instead. The massive success of Steam and Netflix proves that point.

However, the continued and expanded provision of services like Steam and Netflix hinges entirely on content distribution companies believing that this market segment is large enough to compensate for the income they would otherwise get from providing restricted services where a small number of big spenders pay a lot to access artificially scarce content.

The moral and legal consequences that you care so much about are the result of very high level business decisions. Media industries have used propaganda to change public perception of morality (e.g. "you wouldn't download a car" etc) and lobbying to change the law (e.g. DMCA etc). I expect they did an analysis and found that the money they spent on this was much less than the extra income they got from continuing to be able to provide artificially scarce content for as long as they have.

There is a genuine moral issue with regards piracy, in that people who create beloved works of art should be rewarded for their efforts. However, the content distribution companies are massive culprits in preventing artists from being rewarded for their work (have you read up on how the music industry works?) Content distribution companies don't really deserve to be rewarded greatly for distributing content - it's an easy job that pirates do for free. The only reason they have been rewarded greatly in the past is due to their extremely strong market power (and probably because many artists aren't very business minded). You might argue that content distributors should be rewarded for advertising content - however, the journalistic review system, or external recommendation systems, could easily replace advertising in bringing new content to people's attention. In fact, in some industries (e.g. games) the money spent on advertising actually harms the integrity of the review system. Lastly, the financial rewarding of artists isn't the only moral issue involved in art. Good art being made available to the public is a good thing in and of itself. Content distributors are in a privileged position, protected by law, they should have some moral duty to make decisions that reward them with profits while also ensuring a wide audience. Game of Thrones is a significant work of writing and performance, it would be a terrible shame if people weren't pirating it, because then hardly anyone would get to see it.

Re: I pirated Game of Thrones season premiere

#83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The percentage of piracy demonstrates that there is a demand for the product but the consumers don't want to pay for it. World of Goo is the example I used because it's a "perfect" product under the check list provided in the article: great product (90/100) affordable ($20 for a game that takes >10 hours to complete) same price in all markets, unrestricted, same availability everywhere.

The elephant in the room is, of that 80% of piraters, what percentage of them were actual potential customers at the $20 price, and what percentage had no interest in the game at that price. If 0% of the piraters were really customers, then you lost nothing through pirating and sold to the entirety of your actual customer base, which just happens to be only 20% of all the people who have your product. If 100% of the…

Many pirates in my country (some %, probably less than 50%) would buy a game... but they don't have the tools required - International Credit Card, which basically only adults with a good job are given, and which most DON'T use on the Internet (the local Groupon clone revolutionized local e-commerce by offering payments on a local physical payment system).

When I investigated a micropayments startup (we wanted to try it in our country), we found some surprising facts - a huge % of the world's population don't have access to banking systems, even if they DO have some disposable money and want to pay for online games - non-cc alternatives to buying Facebook currency and such were huge requests when we did our customer research.

Re: I pirated Game of Thrones season premiere

#84

Pirating has become a much higher quality entertainment experience than any other. The pace of development is insane, and the things you can do with pirated content these days are, in a word, wonderful. Let's say I pirated a show called Fest of Kings. The hour Fest of Kings aired, it would already be on my home media server. It would have downloaded at about 6MB/second (that's MegaBytes) over a secure SSL connection…

“It's also not free.” Sure, but the creators also don’t receive any compensation from you. It’s like jumping the turnstile at a subway station, figuring that because you bought NewBalance sneakers you're already paying the government for providing public transport. That said, if I could pay, say $100 a month for ‘all you can eat’ pirating (providing that money would go to the studios and artists) I’d love to.

I am definitely not justifying it—just saying that people are paying something for it, thus would probably be willing to pay for a service that offers similar functionality as well.

It is absolutely jumping the turnstile. No doubt about it. I have no legal or moral justification for this other than it is achieving a really high quality experience that you can't get any other way.

Re: I pirated Game of Thrones season premiere

#85

Pirating has become a much higher quality entertainment experience than any other. The pace of development is insane, and the things you can do with pirated content these days are, in a word, wonderful. Let's say I pirated a show called Fest of Kings. The hour Fest of Kings aired, it would already be on my home media server. It would have downloaded at about 6MB/second (that's MegaBytes) over a secure SSL connection…

Netflix does under certain circumstances does provide a better experience than piracy. * You don't have to wait 5 minutes to watch the show, it starts playing instantly. * You don't have to worry about storage or codecs. * If you don't know what to watch, netflix can help with that. * If you are on a train or bus, generally you can get netflix and watch movies on your phone. I do this quite regularly. This isn't to s…

Yep, I agree. Plex integrates with Netflix nicely and provides many options. When I can go through Netflix, I definitely do—but it is not providing instant new releases when they air.

And their interface is ugly and near unusable. It's a testament to the value of the service that people love it despite its disorganized interface, just because they can easily watch about 30% of the content they really want.

Re: I pirated Game of Thrones season premiere

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post #78

Pirating has become a much higher quality entertainment experience than any other. The pace of development is insane, and the things you can do with pirated content these days are, in a word, wonderful. Let's say I pirated a show called Fest of Kings. The hour Fest of Kings aired, it would already be on my home media server. It would have downloaded at about 6MB/second (that's MegaBytes) over a secure SSL connection…

This is very true. The current experience of legal tv content delivery is terrible. It is stuck trying to squeeze the customer for every dollar possible, while not delivering the service that people really want. The music industry is finally starting to get it, even if they are being dragged kicking and screaming by Rdio, Spotify, iTunes, etc. But still, these are all great services that are giving customers what the…

That's the key—I think video content providers are not going easily into this new world. I'm sure Rdio/Vdio, Spotify, and others would love to provide a similar service to how music offerings work today, but the content providers will not have anything to do with it.

It's really sad. So shortsighted. The first company to do this right will bring media into the future and revolutionize the industry. The profits to be had are insane, and they're going down the drain.

Re: I pirated Game of Thrones season premiere

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If there was a legitimate content source that did all this well, and gave me the content I wanted when I wanted it (right when it airs), I would be paying for it. I won't be available for everyone and for a fair price. So piracy will still exist.

fair price Where "fair price" is an amount that's so low as to be effectively free or at most substantially lower than it costs content creators to produce it.

I think you're vastly underestimating the effect of a quality user experience.

If they do it right, people will pay for it. People will want it to an irrational degree.

But they probably won't do it right.

Re: I pirated Game of Thrones season premiere

#88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Netflix does under certain circumstances does provide a better experience than piracy. * You don't have to wait 5 minutes to watch the show, it starts playing instantly. * You don't have to worry about storage or codecs. * If you don't know what to watch, netflix can help with that. * If you are on a train or bus, generally you can get netflix and watch movies on your phone. I do this quite regularly. This isn't to s…

Yep, I agree. Plex integrates with Netflix nicely and provides many options. When I can go through Netflix, I definitely do—but it is not providing instant new releases when they air. And their interface is ugly and near unusable. It's a testament to the value of the service that people love it despite its disorganized interface, just because they can easily watch about 30% of the content they really want.

Oh neat, I did not know about plex.

Re: I pirated Game of Thrones season premiere

#89
"20 hours is a LONG time in Social media terms. It’s a long time in the news."

This is the most pathetic justification for piracy I've ever heard.

You couldn't wait twenty hours to watch it legally? Twenty hours? Many of which you'd probably be sleeping through anyway? That's not even a single day. You can't wait a single day?

It's like listening to a kid justify tearing open his Christmas presents on Christmas Eve.

"Wanting to watch GoT spoiler free is incredibly difficult when you have a 20 hour gap between airing in the US and airing in the UK."

Not really. I live in the States, but I TiVoed the premiere episode and watched it the next day. (The horror!) I stayed away from recap articles and had no problems avoiding spoilers.

Besides, you said earlier in the article that you had already read the books! Which means you have already pre-spoilered yourself, no? You already know every major plot twist the TV show is ever going to throw at you. The first two seasons followed the books pretty much note for note; did you think the third was going to suddenly change direction and bring in the cast of "Glee" for a big musical number?

"Basically, it means staying off Social Media and almost all “geek-news” outlets for a whole day. For some people thats easy enough, I’m not a huge social media fan/user anyway – but my JOB dictates that I check in on the different channels at least a few times each day... So I now have a choice: either don’t do my job properly and ignore my friends for a whole day, or accept that I’ll see some spoilers and my enjoyment of the show will be reduced."

That one's easy -- if your job and the scheduling of your favorite TV show conflict, your job wins. Because you're a grown-up. Right?

Right?

Re: I pirated Game of Thrones season premiere

#90
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I did too. I would happily pay a reasonable price for the show, but HBO doesn't offer an option to do that. I cancelled my cable subscription months ago because there's really only a few shows I want to watch and they're on HBO. Paying an extra $50 a month ($600 a year) to watch two shows is ridiculous. I like the way Downton Abbey was distributed on Amazon. It was, I think, $2 an episode with a small discount if you…

"I would happily pay a reasonable price for the show" The price they are charging is the bundled price. The fact that you do not get enough value from the bundled price means that you don't have to pay for it, but it also doesn't mean you can steal it. If you go to the store and someone is selling a 30 pack of toilet paper but you only need 5 rolls because you live alone, you can't simply take 5 rolls, and say, "the…

"The way to think about it is, HBO costs $600/year and you get some crappy free TV with it."

I find plenty of the "free" TV so offensively terrible that I'll nearly pay more for the TV I want just so no subsidization hits the rest.

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