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U.S. CEO to France: ‘How Stupid Do You Think We Are?’

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I have an idea that the differences in work ethic across Europe may be partly to do with climate and partly to do with language. In France, the verb 'work' is travailler . Traditionally this meant literally to toil, a chore, an obligation. In Germany, the word werken means to build, create, do. The German word more aligned with travailler is arbeit. This lack of correlation in the word work I believe may explain the…

>>In France, the verb 'work' is travailler. Traditionally this meant literally to toil, a chore, an obligation. In Germany, the word werken means to build, create, do. The German word more aligned with travailler is arbeit. This lack of correlation in the word work I believe may explain the differences in the approach and cultural views towards work that I see across Europe, particularly with latin root romance languages.

This makes no sense at all. What is the mechanism at play here? Languages with different etymologies for the verb to work impress those differences into the cultures that use the language? Travailler doesn't really mean toil at all, besogne is the word for really hard chores, lit. Travail pénible. There is no connotation that work is always a chore. French has the same type of words for making things as German goes. This goes back to the agriculture/craftsmen distinction in the middle ages. There is no difference.

>>The second factor I've seen is climate. In the more productive northern European countries, it's generally colder. There's been a historical need for produce and for people to work (not endure or arbeit) to trade in order to get everything you need in terms of food and shelter.

Productivity isn't equivalent to working hard at all. Differences in productivity and wealth in european countries generally go back to pre-industrial developments in technology. Hotter climates tend to not be as integrated into Europe due to simple geography. The alps and the Pyrenees are two examples. You can also look at political developments that helped give rise to reliable systems of law absent elsewhere. As an Arab commented during the crusades, the crusaders could depend on freedom from arbitrary judgments. Again, this development seems to be based on geography but has nothing to do with the climate per se.

Re: U.S. CEO to France: ‘How Stupid Do You Think We Are?’

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but there is no percentage in it for him. It's like telling a random fat person on the bus that he's fat. Probably nothing happens, but there is a small chance he will fly into a rage, or will tell everyone that you called him fat (maybe blogging about it, with video!). There's a much smaller chance that he'll suddenly start to diet/exercise, but how does that benefit you? It's different if it's a friend/family…

There is a percentage in it for him: I'm sure he would like to own a French tire factory IF they actually had competitive productivity. With a verbal kick in the pants, perhaps the situation will change and he'll get a viable opportunity there. That aside, he's giving someone fair warning they're engaging in self-destructive behavior - a kind act. And no, it's not like telling a random fat person he's fat. He was app…

France is not the greatest manufacturing country, it's still one of the most productive country in the world, by a lot of measures.

Re: U.S. CEO to France: ‘How Stupid Do You Think We Are?’

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

France is one of most productive countries in the world, when measured as GDP per hour-worked: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP...

Right, but that is partly or wholly because French unemployment is higher than it is in the US with the result that the less productive workers do not have jobs and consequently are not included in the statistic. If we use a different statistic, namely, GDP per capita, France is significantly lower than the US.

GDP per capita doesn't track unemployment either. France isn't 'significantly' lower than the US either it is about where Germany is and Britain is far behind them both.

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post #33
post #4

Talk about a financial blowout. Sounds like his intent is to waste Titan's time writing negative remarks and being disrespectful. I agree they shouldn't do business with France, but to be so rude is, well...rude.

Maybe he thinks you have to be rude to deal with the French? There is a stereotype there, right or wrong.

But do you have to be rude not to deal with the French? What is the upside?

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post #28
post #19

The letter should include a p.s.: "We don't have a public relations department and I am marginally literate."

He's marginally literate because...?

The "I and Titan have a 40-year history" sentence is pretty poorly written. I had to to stop, rewind, and reparse to understand it after hitting the comma after "companies".

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Wow, what a total jerk. Regardless of the differences between US, Chinese, Indian and French work ethics the least you could do as a CEO is to learn how to write a polite refusal. When you don't have to insult someone it is probably better not to. Because those pesky French just might publish your less than elegant letters, your stockholders might read those letters and could very well think: "This guy runs the compa…

Ahem,

>Wow, what a total jerk. [...] >When you don't have to insult someone it is probably better not to. //

Also is there any basis for this:

>I'd better move my money out before his loud mouth causes him to lose business. //

He sounds like a no nonsense kinda guy that is getting annoyed that people keep asking him to intervene and save tire plants without letting him address the issues that would allow the plants to be saved?

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#87
post #38

Is there somewhere already a translation of the French response? http://www.lesechos.fr/economie-politique/france/actu/020257...

One thing that this underscores is one of the subtleties of doing business in France. If this had been a German or a Dutch minister the reply would have been in English, in France the reply is of course in French.

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#88
post #63
post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

His letter shows the classic signs of someone uncomfortable expressing himself in words. Reading his letter is like watching someone ice skate for the first time -- all the expected motions are there, but without any familiarity or sense of style.

Interesting. It came off much more casual and dashed-off to me.

> It came off much more casual and dashed-off to me.

Yes, but both can be true at once. :)

Re: U.S. CEO to France: ‘How Stupid Do You Think We Are?’

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Wow, what a total jerk. Regardless of the differences between US, Chinese, Indian and French work ethics the least you could do as a CEO is to learn how to write a polite refusal. When you don't have to insult someone it is probably better not to. Because those pesky French just might publish your less than elegant letters, your stockholders might read those letters and could very well think: "This guy runs the compa…

Ahem, >Wow, what a total jerk. [...] >When you don't have to insult someone it is probably better not to. // Also is there any basis for this: >I'd better move my money out before his loud mouth causes him to lose business. // He sounds like a no nonsense kinda guy that is getting annoyed that people keep asking him to intervene and save tire plants without letting him address the issues that would allow the plants t…

There is a pretty big gap between 'no-nonsense' and 'insulting'. This is clearly in the insulting category.

He's been given an opportunity, if he sees any bread in it he should take it, if not politely refuse. Just so the next time there is an opportunity he's still on the 'call' list.

I can see 0 upside to acting like this, and I'm known as pretty direct myself. I'd never insult a government official - in writing, no less - unless it served a purpose and I can't find any purpose here, just insults for insults sake and direct proof of acting on incorrect information. Keep in mind that France has a huge domestic tire manufacturer that negates pretty much everything mr. Titan says here. If he's not happy with the factory operation, it's equipment or its workforce then it's time to either negotiate or to bow out with some grace.

Shooting yourself in the foot like this is not the way business is done, especially not in France where they value propriety in business as much as anywhere else on the planet. Sure there may be insurmountable downsides but given an opportunity you can simply say 'pass', no need to spit the person giving you the opportunity in the face.

Re: U.S. CEO to France: ‘How Stupid Do You Think We Are?’

#90
post #23

I have an idea that the differences in work ethic across Europe may be partly to do with climate and partly to do with language. In France, the verb 'work' is travailler . Traditionally this meant literally to toil, a chore, an obligation. In Germany, the word werken means to build, create, do. The German word more aligned with travailler is arbeit. This lack of correlation in the word work I believe may explain the…

Another theory often floated is the cultural history of Protestants vs Catholics. http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/newsandevents/pressreleases/south_...

That whole theory ignores the fact that the most productive parts of Germany are historically Catholic.
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