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Re: A congressman who justifies every vote on Facebook

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Post by drivebyacct2 »

ryanaghdam wrote: post #79
_delirium wrote: post #76

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If that were actually his legislative agenda, that would be interesting. But I don't see him pushing that in terms of how he votes. The government already does not interfere with the private, religious aspects of marriage. The Catholic Church can define marriage however it wants, and the state has no say in it, which is why you can't get a same-sex marriage in a Catholic church. What's being debated is who should be…

"What's being debated is who should be recognized as married for official purposes" It shouldn't make a difference whether or not someone is married... you know, equal protection under the law. The solution to things like survivor benefits and the others you mentioned (and you're right, Amash doesn't mention this solution) is to simply have private contracts that people decide upon themselves. "If he opposed DOMA, an…

Seriously, find a single Tea Party candidate that ACTUALLY has that view on marriage. That IS the view I have on marriage, it is the libertarian view, and there isn't a single Tea Party candidate that supports that view.

Re: A congressman who justifies every vote on Facebook

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Post by illuminate »

mieses wrote: post #56
illuminate wrote: post #41

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The Tea Party has nothing to do with civil libertarianism.

true. the tea party movement started on good principles, attracted the right wing rabble, and became the punching bag for left wing morons.

"the tea party movement started on good principles, attracted the right wing rabble"

The latter was always the plan, the former was as much lip service as offered by every other Republican politician.

Re: A congressman who justifies every vote on Facebook

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Post by illuminate »

ryanaghdam wrote: post #72
drivebyacct2 wrote: post #25

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You say that as if any Tea Party candidate has actually espoused anything that truly constitutes limited government. _delirium more or less summed it up. Why don't you actually read his Wikipedia page to see what I'm talking about instead of repeating really boring quips. You'll note my comment implies that I like actual libertarianism and just not the crap that the Tea Partiers go around calling libertarianism.

Why don't you read more than just his Wikipedia page? Do you really like actual libertarianism? You know, judging people in categorized groups instead of as individuals isn't very libertarian of you.

"judging people in categorized groups instead of as individuals isn't very libertarian of you"

I think you're conflating Randian philosophy with greater Libertarianism.

Re: A congressman who justifies every vote on Facebook

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Post by illuminate »

harshreality wrote: post #62
aaronbrethorst wrote: post #60

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One man's pork is another man's job.

Jobs created by pork are disturbingly similar to public sector jobs, even when they're nominally private sector jobs enabled by government grants/contracts. Create a section in a government agency to deal with some known problem, hire people directly into the government for that. Same effect, but you can't hide behind the false veneer of creating private sector jobs. It also becomes much more obvious that if you want…

"Jobs created by pork are disturbingly similar to public sector jobs"

Which makes it all the funnier when "anti-gov't" politicians load up their bills with private-sector giveaways.

Re: A congressman who justifies every vote on Facebook

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Post by illuminate »

drivebyacct2 wrote: post #81
ryanaghdam wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"What's being debated is who should be recognized as married for official purposes" It shouldn't make a difference whether or not someone is married... you know, equal protection under the law. The solution to things like survivor benefits and the others you mentioned (and you're right, Amash doesn't mention this solution) is to simply have private contracts that people decide upon themselves. "If he opposed DOMA, an…

Seriously, find a single Tea Party candidate that ACTUALLY has that view on marriage. That IS the view I have on marriage, it is the libertarian view, and there isn't a single Tea Party candidate that supports that view.

The problem generally is that there's more to Libertarianism than fiscal conservatism, and Tea Party interests tend to be just as selectively fiscally conservative as the battered-brand mainstream Republicans once they're placed in power. It' s a gimmick for Republicans who don't want to be called Republicans but be elected by socially conservative Republicans that call themselves Libertarian :p

Re: A congressman who justifies every vote on Facebook

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Post by drivebyacct2 »

illuminate wrote: post #85
drivebyacct2 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seriously, find a single Tea Party candidate that ACTUALLY has that view on marriage. That IS the view I have on marriage, it is the libertarian view, and there isn't a single Tea Party candidate that supports that view.

The problem generally is that there's more to Libertarianism than fiscal conservatism, and Tea Party interests tend to be just as selectively fiscally conservative as the battered-brand mainstream Republicans once they're placed in power. It' s a gimmick for Republicans who don't want to be called Republicans but be elected by socially conservative Republicans that call themselves Libertarian :p

I couldn't agree more with that assessment.

Re: A congressman who justifies every vote on Facebook

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Post by illuminate »

aaronbrethorst wrote: post #61
mieses wrote: post #56

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true. the tea party movement started on good principles, attracted the right wing rabble, and became the punching bag for left wing morons.

you might as well just call us libtards and be done with it.

Eh, it's more interesting than insulting. I'd be sincerely fascinated to know what they would do with the "rabble", and why they believe that the "rabble" wasn't being targeted by these "no waste" but assuredly nonsecular candidates.

Re: A congressman who justifies every vote on Facebook

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Post by illuminate »

ryanaghdam wrote: post #73
illuminate wrote: post #41

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The Tea Party has nothing to do with civil libertarianism.

Neither does collectivism.

I'm not making any promises here, it'd probably be better if the fiscal AND SOCIAL libertarians worked on their own party than rebranding and being fully digested by the battered Republican or Dem parties. The Dems, to their "credit", don't promise to be civil libertarians either.

Re: A congressman who justifies every vote on Facebook

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Post by illuminate »

ryanaghdam wrote: post #74
mieses wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

true. the tea party movement started on good principles, attracted the right wing rabble, and became the punching bag for left wing morons.

I think it split into two parts when some intelligent people were talking about the dangers of Keynesianism and some idiots thought they were talking about Kenyans.

I don't tend to visit the local meet-ups, but the people they apparently run for office (which matter more to me) are the latter sort.

Re: A congressman who justifies every vote on Facebook

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Post by ryanaghdam »

illuminate wrote: post #85
drivebyacct2 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seriously, find a single Tea Party candidate that ACTUALLY has that view on marriage. That IS the view I have on marriage, it is the libertarian view, and there isn't a single Tea Party candidate that supports that view.

The problem generally is that there's more to Libertarianism than fiscal conservatism, and Tea Party interests tend to be just as selectively fiscally conservative as the battered-brand mainstream Republicans once they're placed in power. It' s a gimmick for Republicans who don't want to be called Republicans but be elected by socially conservative Republicans that call themselves Libertarian :p

Agreed -- economic and social freedom should go hand-in-hand.
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