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Re: Bye Bye Ubuntu, a sad Christmas

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The most absurd things seem "obvious" to you. What is obvious is that you have not had to support friends who keep getting viruses, keep running out of free space on their massive disks, keep complaining about slower and slower performance.

But that's not the fault of the OS. That's the fault of the user.

I tend to develop more and more by the "it's never the users fault" pragma in order to build software that is perceived as "it just works".

Re: Bye Bye Ubuntu, a sad Christmas

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post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The most absurd things seem "obvious" to you. What is obvious is that you have not had to support friends who keep getting viruses, keep running out of free space on their massive disks, keep complaining about slower and slower performance.

But that's not the fault of the OS. That's the fault of the user.

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Re: Bye Bye Ubuntu, a sad Christmas

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I am pretty sure it is not hardware problem since I am using it for development and do all kinds of crazy stuff for last half a year. :) The thing about windows - you get more support from hardware manufacturer, but you get screwed by the fact it is all proprietary and often stuff from one manufacturer is not working with software from different one. And due to closed source approach there is no way to peek into it t…

To be fair, most of those things you mentioned sound like issues individual drivers rather than the OS. You are likely to have closed source drivers under Linux too, a variety of GPUs and Wireless cards do not offer open source drivers (or at least with full features). You might not need 600MB of drivers for your video card, it's that the manufacturer packages it with 600MB of software. On a modern HDD 600MB isn't so…

Yeah, I totally agree that major problems comes from closed-sourced drivers. And it doesn't matter what OS you use - Linux or Windows. MacOS it is a bit easier since Apple controls both hardware and software. It is not a case with PC platform in general.

Re: Bye Bye Ubuntu, a sad Christmas

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post #49

I'm so glad that someone is writing about this issue. It is important to understand that 12.04 and 12.10 both SUCK. Here's why: Previously I was on 10.04, the best thing that happened to me ever. Boot speed was amazing and shutdown speed was the fastest among the three OS'es I had then (Windows Vista, OSX, Ubuntu 10.04). Then something happened. I purchased the Windows 8 Upgrade edition and I had to partition my driv…

It saddens me that people who liked earlier Ubuntu releases jump straight to Windows or OS X, without trying Debian or Linux Mint first. They both offer the good parts of Ubuntu, without the junk and without the poor experience.

The problem is that GNOME 2 on Ubuntu 11.04 is really polished. I still run it today and I have no intention of upgrading or switching.

I've looked at other DE's such as Mint, XFCE, etc. but nothing comes close to the desktop I had with GNOME 2 on Ubuntu 11.04.

Re: Bye Bye Ubuntu, a sad Christmas

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post #49

I'm so glad that someone is writing about this issue. It is important to understand that 12.04 and 12.10 both SUCK. Here's why: Previously I was on 10.04, the best thing that happened to me ever. Boot speed was amazing and shutdown speed was the fastest among the three OS'es I had then (Windows Vista, OSX, Ubuntu 10.04). Then something happened. I purchased the Windows 8 Upgrade edition and I had to partition my driv…

It saddens me that people who liked earlier Ubuntu releases jump straight to Windows or OS X, without trying Debian or Linux Mint first. They both offer the good parts of Ubuntu, without the junk and without the poor experience.

I recently switched my laptop back to Debian. I prefer KDE over Gnome these days, so in that context, I think the number one thing keeping Debian from being a more popular suggestion right now is that the squeeze UI feels about a decade old and wheezy comes with a bunch of warnings about it being in "testing".

I've had zero complaints with wheezy so far (not a common thing for me), so I think it's well worth giving it a shot if you'd like to try Debian on your desktop.

Re: Bye Bye Ubuntu, a sad Christmas

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post #61

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http://linuxmint.com/ If this is the official website of the distribution you're talking about, then the site doesn't inspire confidence as much as the original Ubuntu site does. Anyway, I'll give it a shot, thanks :)

It's not the best website, certainly, and it's not the "perfect OS". But Linux Mint, to me, has always been my favorite derivative of Ubuntu (as someone who is not particularly keen on Ubuntu natively, and definitely dislikes Unity).

Linux Mint has moved away from Ubuntu, incidentally. It's now solely based on Debian.

Re: Bye Bye Ubuntu, a sad Christmas

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For those saying "why not try Debian, mint, etc", I've been running my mother on Debian for the past 18 months and it hasn't been at all easy and I am starting to wonder if I shouldn't move her back to Windows. I gave her fairly simple hardware (an Atom PC) with enough RAM and disk space. I migrated her to Picassa and Libre Office. She's surviving but supporting is a little tedious, there doesn't seem to be a convenient alternative to LogMeIn (any VNC requires mapping ports on the router and teamviewer needs user intervention at the target). I was also running Ubuntu with KDE on my main laptop at home but I recently bought a new laptop and my wife was delighted that it came with Windows 7 pre-installed. I haven't yet decided if Linux will go back on. Possibly not.

So much in domestic Linux is unprofessional, that is why the professional Linuxes command such money. Linux seems to remain a hobby system with similar process control because it allows everything, if you don't constrain your model then you can't ensure quality. For example: how much testing is done against the kernel? I don't mean beta testing, how about instituting some standards regime with unit testing and interface compliance measurement? Linux depends almost entirely on peer code review, in critical parts that is reviewed by 'experts' but it remains a manual process.

Re: Bye Bye Ubuntu, a sad Christmas

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post #49

I'm so glad that someone is writing about this issue. It is important to understand that 12.04 and 12.10 both SUCK. Here's why: Previously I was on 10.04, the best thing that happened to me ever. Boot speed was amazing and shutdown speed was the fastest among the three OS'es I had then (Windows Vista, OSX, Ubuntu 10.04). Then something happened. I purchased the Windows 8 Upgrade edition and I had to partition my driv…

Your rant about unity mirrors exactly what I was feeling when I upgraded nearly a year back. Today I just cannot go back to anything else other than unity. I was once a hard core KDE user and just out of curiosity tried KDE 4.9 after a long time to see how things have changed. Though KDE offers a lot of customization and has cool effects it just isn't polished enough. The integrated menu and title bar in Unity is enough to stop me from moving to anything else. That being said, I do agree that Ubuntu bootup and shutdown is very slow and yes, its slower than windows 7 for me :(
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