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US conducted mass spying campaign against leftwing and anti-ICE protesters

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Re: US conducted mass spying campaign against leftwing and anti-ICE protesters

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Why is this flagged ?

Because in the past nine hours some number of HN users clicked on the [flag] option under the submission title. That is literally all it takes to mark a submission [flagged].

It still boggles the mind why anyone would flag it.

I mean I get it if you were someone that is a part of the mass spying campaign, but I suspect there are none on HN.

Re: US conducted mass spying campaign against leftwing and anti-ICE protesters

#82
post #77
post #75

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Because in the past nine hours some number of HN users clicked on the [flag] option under the submission title. That is literally all it takes to mark a submission [flagged].

flagging should come with a 50 word minimum explanation.

That would allow the rest of us to know the why.

Re: US conducted mass spying campaign against leftwing and anti-ICE protesters

#83
post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

flagging should come with a 50 word minimum explanation.

Or a drop down of appropriate flagging reasons.

Some of the juiciest discussions on this forum recently are the perma-flagged posts with active comments and high upvotes. The moderation bias (by supposed "crowd" or not) is obvious, there are clear tendencies of suppressed topics. It's like the dark side of the front page.

Re: US conducted mass spying campaign against leftwing and anti-ICE protesters

#85

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Imagine being such a sucker that you think it's remotely justified.

Just to be clear, I am talking about the suckers, marks, and rubes in the United States that believe blatant fascist propaganda and are so unbelievably and completely stupid and deluded as to support undermining the rule of law merely so that their political tribe can 'win'. You have learned nothing from history, future accounts (if we live through this) will paint you in a very poor light, and you should all be abso…

Thank you.

Re: US conducted mass spying campaign against leftwing and anti-ICE protesters

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post #77

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flagging should come with a 50 word minimum explanation.

That would allow the rest of us to know the why .

That would assume good faith. It wasn't flagged in good faith so all you'd get access to is how bad faith actors construct narratives.

Re: US conducted mass spying campaign against leftwing and anti-ICE protesters

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That would allow the rest of us to know the why .

That would assume good faith. It wasn't flagged in good faith so all you'd get access to is how bad faith actors construct narratives.

Bad-faith narrative constructs should at least lay bare their bad faith.

Re: US conducted mass spying campaign against leftwing and anti-ICE protesters

#88

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That would assume good faith. It wasn't flagged in good faith so all you'd get access to is how bad faith actors construct narratives.

Bad-faith narrative constructs should at least lay bare their bad faith.

And require public scrutiny and reputation risking, I agree. Flags are louder than comments yet require no risk. It's a systemic bias against discussion.

Re: US conducted mass spying campaign against leftwing and anti-ICE protesters

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"We" did do all of that when COINTELPRO was uncovered, at least ostensibly. We had committees, we changed laws, we established judicial ovesight, we "reformed" the system. As Snowden demonstrated later, none of it mattered. This government has engineered itself to be for all intents and purposes immune from the will of the people. And that was back when the government at least pretended to care about the rules, and "…

And how many people were put in prison for COINTELPRO?

None. And obviously there's no chance of anyone being put in prison for gestures vaguely in the direction of the dumpster fire that is this administration.

Remember the President has carte blanche power of pardon over all federal crimes and thanks to SCOTUS is themselves immune from prosecution for any crime committed in office. If you want that level of accountability for the government you have to start with a Constitutional convention and remake the entire system from the ground up.

Re: US conducted mass spying campaign against leftwing and anti-ICE protesters

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Vet /screen everyone. Cross check personal references, have an onboarding period before introducing new members to anything sensitive, do background checks if you’re concerned about it. There are already experienced community leaders and activists in your network; ask them how they establish trust. Teach people to think more critically about how and why they trust information and people. Make vetting part of recruitm…

IANAL but is CircuitSeuss not committing a crime here by giving the advice: "If you are discussing illegal shit, don’t do it around people or devices you don’t completely trust. Retain plausible deniability." Or is it legal to discuss "illegal shit"? Maybe with a lawyer? Maybe with a lawyer present? Maybe "illegal shit" is legal jargon I'm unfamiliar with?

Indeed, they are not committing a crime here. They are not discussing illegal shit, they are merely talking about discussing illegal shit, and that is still protected by the First Amendment.
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