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Kinney Drugs pulls back AI phone assistant after hundreds of customer complaints

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Re: Kinney Drugs pulls back AI phone assistant after hundreds of customer complaints

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Companies will pawn off thier customers to AI at their peril. In many ways this is a repeat of the India call center train wrecks of the 00s. On paper, letting someone in Bangalore vs onshore handle incoming customer service calls looked like a path to amazing savings. In practice the customer experience was horrendous and companies CTRL-Zed these decisions and rapidly brought customer service back onshore again. AI…

The bigger question is that given all the consolidation and monopolies, if the top 2/3 companies do this, what is the alternative? Even for something like car insurance in the US, all the ELT at those want EBITDA at all costs. I'm not sure what fall out will be.

Re: Kinney Drugs pulls back AI phone assistant after hundreds of customer complaints

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NPS typically improves because no one stays on hold for 20+ mins anymore. People have no ideas have pharmacies work. Pharmacies don't control how much they pay for drug, or how much they get paid. The margins are terrible and you can't hire enough techs to answer the phone at peak call volume. So - most people experience are terrible as they wait on hold for a really long time. EVEN if the AI is a little rough around…

EVEN if the AI is a little rough around the edges with relational calls, just solving for transactional calls with no hold is a massive win. You keep saying that reducing call time is the "win." It seems like that the only metric you're measuring. If so, your product is a failure, not a success. This is HEALTHCARE . You don't get to do "rough around the edges." You don't get to dismiss edge cases. I also work in heal…

> You keep saying that reducing call time is the "win."

"AI" reduces call time here... as I hang up and look for an alternative supplier.

Re: Kinney Drugs pulls back AI phone assistant after hundreds of customer complaints

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The desired speed of AI adoption is what is hindering AI adoption. Big companies are trying to sell this as magic, and it's not. It requires proper use to get anything useful out of this system. But that takes away the magic of it and the investors can't have that as the eventual share price only works if it is magic. Frontier labs will smother their product with their timelines.

And even if the AI worked well enough (a claim to be proven by its proponents), companies wouldn’t give it access to be actually helpful. It’s all to save costs on routine calls, not enhance problem solving, the same way they’ve outsourced CS operators to body shops with a strict script.

Re: Kinney Drugs pulls back AI phone assistant after hundreds of customer complaints

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Make it so the parts that are done by AI are rock solid, until then, they shouldn't be near a customer and be done by humans. Resist the greed!

So you want him to make a piece of software that models a probability distribution rock solid.

Yes

Re: Kinney Drugs pulls back AI phone assistant after hundreds of customer complaints

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wonder how much of the ai CX hate is availability bias where people really notice it when it breaks but you never see the whole picture on total impact

it seems very implementation dependant, I know a startup with incredibly realistic voice agents that most people don’t detect is an ai that outperforms humans. But ai for CX seems like an easy project to do for companies looking to cut costs so the average agent a user encounters in the wild is poor quality

Re: Kinney Drugs pulls back AI phone assistant after hundreds of customer complaints

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So - I run a company that does AI agents for pharmacy. We are at Series B now and growing well - series C in 9-12 months given growth. We just acquired a competitor of that vendor so very much an insider. First, The technology works, and it scales, but the whole bottleneck is domain expertise and implementation. These are expensive, and hard to scale. We hire pharmacists as project managers, that's how important doma…

Good for you and wishing you more success. You probably going to be down voted as sentiment here in HN is going against AI due to the pressure on jobs, which is completely understandable from emotional point. People tend to compare AI to perfection for some reasons, which is not the case with humans. How many errors happened due to human phone operators? In the last few days there was an article where humans scored 6…

> People tend to compare AI to perfection for some reasons, which is not the case with humans.

No, people compare so-called AI with computer programs that are designed to work properly.

Re: Kinney Drugs pulls back AI phone assistant after hundreds of customer complaints

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Why were pharmacies viable before? Presumably they didn't lose money for their whole history.

Most pharmacies are having financial issues basically due to being stuck in the middle of the battle between insurers, drug manufacturers, and PBMs over reimbursement rates, and having the weakest negotiating position of all of the parties. AI probably will save the pharmacies some money, but IMO this will probably cause reimbursement rates to decline further, leaving the pharmacies in the same position as before.

Weakest negotiating position other than the customers.

The funny part is probably a majority of pharmacies are owned by CVS or Walgreens each of which are insurance companies in their own right, and often people with company health insurance will ONLY allow reimbursements through their company pharmacy.

Re: Kinney Drugs pulls back AI phone assistant after hundreds of customer complaints

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Companies will pawn off thier customers to AI at their peril. In many ways this is a repeat of the India call center train wrecks of the 00s. On paper, letting someone in Bangalore vs onshore handle incoming customer service calls looked like a path to amazing savings. In practice the customer experience was horrendous and companies CTRL-Zed these decisions and rapidly brought customer service back onshore again. AI…

This, I suspect, is exactly like offshoring - and a lot of companies died during the offshoring fad because their software products become full of low quality merges and feature improvements that the company couldn't afford to fix or remove by the time they realized there was a problem. That remains my primary concern with AI code generation - well established codebases might become full of slop to the point of being…

There's precedence for new versions of software being abandoned for older code bases... usually the new version doesn't ship or gets forked relatively quickly though, e.g. the Windows Longhorn reset or the Gnome 3/MATE fork.

Re: Kinney Drugs pulls back AI phone assistant after hundreds of customer complaints

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Companies will pawn off thier customers to AI at their peril. In many ways this is a repeat of the India call center train wrecks of the 00s. On paper, letting someone in Bangalore vs onshore handle incoming customer service calls looked like a path to amazing savings. In practice the customer experience was horrendous and companies CTRL-Zed these decisions and rapidly brought customer service back onshore again. AI…

> companies CTRL-Zed these decisions and rapidly brought customer service back onshore again.

Not here in UK. They rerouted to the Phillipines, Egypt etc.

Re: Kinney Drugs pulls back AI phone assistant after hundreds of customer complaints

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Very much clueless commentary. Retail pharmacies in the US are dying dozens a day. They don't have margin to support people answering the phone like tech companies with 80% margin do. Welcome to the real world where it is survival for these pharmacies not greed or shareholder value. They literally lose money filling your branded prescription even with no labor baked in. We are their lifeline. I know because I am not…

First, most tech companies of comparable size to your customers have negative margins and survive on investment cycles, and the tech companies that are bigger haven't offered human support to anyone in decades. (And indeed, everyone already resents this practice and those tech companies. Generally, sentiment is abyssmal.) I know you're just trying to illustrate the real plight of your customers, but it's a bad illust…

Microsoft offers human chat support for consumers, once you try their self-help tools: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/contactus?ContactUsExper...

Apple offers online, telephone, and of course in-person support for hardware and software: https://support.apple.com/?cid=mc-ols-general-homepage-marco...

Amazon offers online and telephone customer support on your “my orders” page.

Netflix offers phone and chat support: https://help.netflix.com/en/contactus

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