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The Nixpkgs core team has disbanded

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Re: The Nixpkgs core team has disbanded

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The Internet was fully functional and full of competent people when it was a much weirder place. Converting all spaces into the equivalent of dress shirts and blazers doesn't reduce anyone's competence but does make the experience so much more drab. Let people like things.

I don’t mind the internet being a weird place and enjoy the weirdness that exists in places like the NixOS community. I’m fully aware that the software I use has been built by extremely smart people who seem to like anime. It’s just that my line in the sand is that if you are trying to share a serious topic on the Discourse, the anime pfp seems to undercut the message.

Re: The Nixpkgs core team has disbanded

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For anyone reading this and jumping to a broader conclusion: the Nixpkgs core team disbanding does not mean Nixpkgs or Nix is dying. It does mean that this particular structure was not sustainable, very important contributors burnt out and we need to do better, faster. We need to continue learning from this and continue building a stronger ecosystem that prioritizes the contributors who are the only reason any of thi…

The Nixpkgs Core team was established in Sept 2025 ( https://discourse.nixos.org/t/establishing-the-nixpkgs-core-... ), so it is a fairly new concept and idea. They've accomplished some good things as highlighted in the post, but are now stepping down. Yes, we'd prefer for the team to exist, but we've also functioned without one for ~20 years. It may take multiple iterations to bootstrap the concept and to figure out…

I agree with the concept but the name is terrible. "Core team" gives one the impression that this is the most important team to the project. It's not! It could be called the "governance facilitator" team or admins or something.

Please name the next iteration something less spicy.

Re: The Nixpkgs core team has disbanded

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Why do you consider it so strongly to be inappropriate? It literally does not tell me anything about the user. DOS was built in a basement. Pretty sure suit and tie wasn't the dejour whilst they were doing it. Linux was a hobby project. Pretty sure that slacks featured more than a blazer.

I will tell on myself here but having an anime pfp evokes something childish for me and I do judge the user based on it. I expect to be judged similarly because I use the album art for a favorite album of mine as a pfp on the same platform and would consider it equally inappropriate if I were to share a heartfelt and serious message like this one.

Re: The Nixpkgs core team has disbanded

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All the posts about nix always go something like:

1. the "I used nix once/some time ago but I realized it's stupid/hard/whatever"

2. anime pfps/furries/trans/woke are bad

3. complaining about CoC/governance/etc

Irrespective of whatever the posted article is about relating to this technology. This is one of those threads.

Nix seems to have one of the worst discussion quality around here. Rust threads are similar (though they got better recently), specially on the negative unrelated comments side, but seem to have much more engaged people. Maybe Anubis has a similar ratio. I wonder why?

Re: The Nixpkgs core team has disbanded

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Can you share more about what made you move away? I’ve been running a NixOS based homelab for awhile now with 5 physical hosts and about 30 NixOS containers/VMs in an Incus cluster and I can’t imagine moving away from my central Nix repo and ability to rebuild/upgrade the entire fleet in one command and feel confident that things will work. While I’m concerned about the disbanding, it would take quite a lot to make m…

YMMV, I don’t run a home lab, I just have a NAS and run a personal website. I definitely don’t have a “fleet”. I have two servers running Debian and I can bring them back up from zero in “Rebuild everything in one command and have it work” is not something that I’m chasing after and I am skeptical that it would work anyway. Maybe there is something I’m missing, but when I update the software, the updates come with ch…

> “Rebuild everything in one command and have it work” is not something that I’m chasing after and I am skeptical that it would work anyway.

I'm not using "rebuild" to describe recreating an instance from scratch, but in the "nixos-rebuild" sense, i.e. I can deploy a fleet-wide configuration shared by all hosts, or apply package updates across the fleet, etc.

As for the skepticism, all I can offer is my experience which is that it does indeed work, and I've been running this way for awhile.

> Maybe there is something I’m missing, but when I update the software, the updates come with changes and it’s possible that things break.

The only time I've had breaking changes that required manual intervention was on a major release update. The issue amounted to "You're using abc configuration option but should be using xyz instead". This message was clearly logged, and fixing it was a matter of a few minutes of reading why a particular property name had changed.

Those updates happen twice/year, and in the last ~3 years I think two packages have forced me to make a change. Unless you're running unstable, you won't encounter this for ongoing package updates within a release.

On the topic of rebuilding from scratch, that's not a single command, but it's only a few. VMs/containers mount incus volumes (zfs-backed) for data storage, and a fresh rebuild is a matter of spawning a new instance from my homelab base image (I use OpenTofu to orchestrate this), running a nixos-rebuild targeting the new instance from my workstation, and things are back up and running. But I'm less focused on full rebuilds since I'm already doing Incus backups and can restore on any of the nodes in my Incus cluster.

> My goals are to keep reasonably up to date and to be able to fix things quickly if they do break.

My goals are similar. I can completely understand sticking with Debian for two hosts. I had experimented with NixOS for years but never really went all-in until I started expanding my homelab environment. At that point, NixOS just clicked and I'm far more productive with 30+ hosts than I used to be with 1-2.

> Package maintenance is kind of a crapshoot. Maybe your package is in nixpkgs, maybe there is a flake for it, maybe...

Which channel were you running on? And do you have any examples of specific packages? What you're describing just sounds foreign to me. I currently default to the latest stable release but if there's something that isn't in stable I'll override that specific package to use unstable. Much of the community just runs everything on unstable, but I prefer a slightly slower pace of updates.

Nixpkgs is the largest package repository across distros by volume, and as much as I love Debian, it's far more common to find things missing there.

> Maybe there is a package but half the features are turned off on macOS for unknown reasons

This sounds like you're branching into territory that can no longer be reasonably framed as NixOS vs. Debian (or other distro of choice).

> Docs are just kinda bad.

This is by far the project's greatest weakness. LLMs have been the saving grace. The frontier models are excellent at NixOS and I've switched to mostly having a conversation in my NixOS Claude project when I need info. This is in no way a defense of the docs, but for anyone motivated to use NixOS, there is at least a good option beyond the docs themselves.

Re: The Nixpkgs core team has disbanded

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https://jerrypournelle.com/reports/jerryp/iron.html Any organization is eventually controlled by people more interested in the organization than its mission. Or something to that effect. (Accidentally attached this to the wrong post, meant for the post above this)

Technical people (or people with bad social skills) also love to inadequately and incorrectly try and turn the complexity of social organization into simple laws and rules. This kind of reduction doesn't really do people a service, and is also a bit arrogant and simple-minded. It would be much more interesting to name this as a tendency, and try to describe when and how it might occur, how the structure of the org mi…

I know that it isn't always (heh) used as literally always and necessarily, but really there are no laws or always with human behavior. It's extremely dynamic and reactive. No organization will always do anything of such sort. I also like the word tendency.

Re: The Nixpkgs core team has disbanded

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Why is the Nix community such a dumpster fire?

The most obvious cause was forcing BDFL and creator Eelco to step down

https://lwn.net/Articles/970824/

The moderation team posted an open letter demanding he step down, among other reasons this accused him of jeopardizing the safety of people from "marginalized backgrounds" and allowing "fascists" in the community

I have tried very hard to find any examples of what this is a actually referring to and genuinely have no idea

https://github.com/save-nix-together/open-letter/blob/main/c...

Re: The Nixpkgs core team has disbanded

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Nix package manager: correctly resolves dependency hell for your entire OS. Nix governance: still hasn't resolved dependency hell for humans apparently.

For a certain definition of "correctly" (namely: it doesn't, it just does what containers do and ships unique versions for every package).

Re: The Nixpkgs core team has disbanded

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All the posts about nix always go something like: 1. the "I used nix once/some time ago but I realized it's stupid/hard/whatever" 2. anime pfps/furries/trans/woke are bad 3. complaining about CoC/governance/etc Irrespective of whatever the posted article is about relating to this technology. This is one of those threads. Nix seems to have one of the worst discussion quality around here. Rust threads are similar (thou…

You're not helping though. If you want that to be different, focus on different things rather than bringing attention to what you're complaining about.

Re: The Nixpkgs core team has disbanded

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Why do you consider it so strongly to be inappropriate? It literally does not tell me anything about the user. DOS was built in a basement. Pretty sure suit and tie wasn't the dejour whilst they were doing it. Linux was a hobby project. Pretty sure that slacks featured more than a blazer.

I will tell on myself here but having an anime pfp evokes something childish for me and I do judge the user based on it. I expect to be judged similarly because I use the album art for a favorite album of mine as a pfp on the same platform and would consider it equally inappropriate if I were to share a heartfelt and serious message like this one.

That sounds like you associate anime with childhood cartoons? But considering how much of that industry output is 16+ or 18+ (usually violence and themes), I'd say that is more of a cultural confabulation.

I would absolutely not expect a business profile image, regardless of the message. Nor do I get why you think it is so essential.

Half the red team industry are furries. Would you criticise them for not using a mugshot? Because a lot of them don't, whilst posting CVEs that affect half the world.

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