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Man seeks millions after being shot by police in game-related swatting incident

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Re: Man seeks millions after being shot by police in game-related swatting incident

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Post by lovich »

bartread wrote: post #63
ProfessorLayton wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Otherwise it just becomes another way for insurance companies to make money - in this case by charging swingeing fees that will come out of public coffers. I believe doctors pay out of pocket (At least the ones that setup their own private practice do), so it would incentivize them to keep costs low so they can pocket the money.

What’s the salary difference between doctors and cops of similar experience levels on average in the US?

Surprisingly on par, some of the guys are making more than faang engineers

https://cthrupayroll.mass.gov/#!/year/2022/full_time_employe...

Re: Man seeks millions after being shot by police in game-related swatting incident

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Post by hamper653 »

krapp wrote: post #79
hamper653 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are there so many guns in this God-forsaken country? Why did local cops respond to an active shooting call? Why did they enter the house, instead of waiting for a specially trained team? Why did the victim have a gun?

>Why are there so many guns in this God-forsaken country? Surplus arms after World War 2 led to the creation of the gun industry in the US, and thanks to the Second Amendment and the power of the gun lobby, its relationship with the Republican Party, and decades of popular media making them cool, that's a guaranteed untouchable industry. > Why did they enter the house, instead of waiting for a specially trained team?…

> What "specially trained team?" That was the specially trained team.

Weren’t they some local cops? In my country there is a handful of police teams specialised in hostage situations and the like. In case of an "active shooting", local cops would typically establish a perimeter until these guys come and handle the situation (without deaths if possible, although they are sharp shooters).

Re: Man seeks millions after being shot by police in game-related swatting incident

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Post by krapp »

hamper653 wrote: post #82
krapp wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Why are there so many guns in this God-forsaken country? Surplus arms after World War 2 led to the creation of the gun industry in the US, and thanks to the Second Amendment and the power of the gun lobby, its relationship with the Republican Party, and decades of popular media making them cool, that's a guaranteed untouchable industry. > Why did they enter the house, instead of waiting for a specially trained team?…

> What "specially trained team?" That was the specially trained team. Weren’t they some local cops? In my country there is a handful of police teams specialised in hostage situations and the like. In case of an "active shooting", local cops would typically establish a perimeter until these guys come and handle the situation (without deaths if possible, although they are sharp shooters).

OK I assumed it was a SWAT team, I didn't read the article closely enough, my fault. I'll take the hit for that.

But if it had been... the result still would have been the same. American police aren't trained to de-escalate, SWAT less so.

Re: Man seeks millions after being shot by police in game-related swatting incident

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Post by OutOfHere »

NotGMan wrote: post #68

The need to find out who did the swatting and give him life in jail.

That creates the reverse problem, whereby someone can eventually get framed for it.

Just fix the real problem which is the disproportionate police response.

Re: Man seeks millions after being shot by police in game-related swatting incident

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Post by OutOfHere »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #48
kaikai wrote: post #24

There needs to be insurance for police, just like there is for doctors. Once an individual cop has repeated judgements against them they won’t be insurable, instead of the current result of them moving to a different city.

I think judges are often overlooked, they are the barrier stopping an internet troll from sending a small military on to your property on a whim. Too many false swatting should lead to a judge mandatorily stepping down, especially if there are casualties.

Judges are not involved in a police response to a call.

Re: Man seeks millions after being shot by police in game-related swatting incident

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Post by OutOfHere »

rurdia wrote: post #62
bartread wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like your way better. I like your way a lot better. A: It’s actual justice, and B: Otherwise it just becomes another way for insurance companies to make money - in this case by charging swingeing fees that will come out of public coffers.

Then no one would want to be a police officer. Could also just give the death penalty for any attempted or successful swats (though finding the perpetrator might be difficult). And maybe improve legislation and technology related to it. VPN service providers might be thrilled if using a VPN for gaming became mandated by law. Game developers less so if P2P becomes outlawed.

> Could also just give the death penalty for any attempted or successful swats

Nope, because innocent people would then inevitably get framed for it.

Just fix the real problem which is the out-of-control police response

Re: Man seeks millions after being shot by police in game-related swatting incident

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Post by atmavatar »

jrflowers wrote: post #15
getstowly wrote: post #2

I don't understand why more police agencies aren't being super careful with this stuff, especially if they're being sent to a house / location where no other crimes have been reported. It would be one thing if you have a call to a house that's had domestic violence calls, other shootings, etc. Instead, they're just getting a call and thinking, "Oh no! Danger!" and running in, guns blazing. I love the protection from…

A lot of police departments in the US pay to send their officers to seminars where speakers tell them that they’re Literally Warriors. Cops with Punisher tattoos aren’t being ironic, they think about finishing a shift of playing Temple Run on their phones like catching the last helicopter out of Saigon.

This is currently down-voted to gray for me, but it's a pretty well-documented phenomenon.

To anyone unfamiliar with the concept of warrior cops, it may behoove you to start with the following Harvard Law Review article: https://harvardlawreview.org/forum/vol-128/law-enforcements-...

Re: Man seeks millions after being shot by police in game-related swatting incident

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Post by WarmWash »

vkou wrote: post #46
WarmWash wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is something like 50 million police-public encounters annually. Stuff like this is exceedingly rare. So while Pima PD should be held responsible, and those cops should face criminal charges, it's logically non-nonsensical for this to make you terrified of police (or the other 5-10 similar stories annually). I mean cars are genocidal military dictators by comparison. The downstream effect of this is people doing…

There are hundreds of billions of person-to-person encounters annually and almost all of them end just fine, yet people feel the need to: 1. Come up with a beautiful story about how they need to have guns to defend themselves. 2. Come down like a ton of bricks on anyone who improperly uses violence in such encounters. Encountering a cop is one of the most dangerous 'mundane' things that can happen to you. ~One in 50,…

You need to control for situations where the person on the other side is trying to kill the police.

It's something like 1000 people killed by police annually, but it's childishly dishonest (or ignorant) to ignore that ~995 of those are people actively trying to kill the police.

I wouldn't call shooting out your back window because you're getting pulled over "mundane".

Also, if each drive is ~20 miles, you have around a 1% chance of dying. That's 500x greater than even the dishonest 1 in 50k stat. Just further driving my point home for me, thanks.

Re: Man seeks millions after being shot by police in game-related swatting incident

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Post by genocidicbunny »

ASalazarMX wrote: post #66
genocidicbunny wrote: post #44

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A lot of them _want_ to be able to go in guns blazing and not having to be careful. They're living out a Warrior fantasy.

Many people have fantasies like that, where a thief (hopefully without a gun) invades their home, and they use their gun collection to heroically "neutralize" the invader and defend their kingdom without legal consequences. These are the kind of people who shoud be strongly filtered out from jobs that require carrying firearms. They could enlist as infantry in whatever invasion USA is doing that year, but they're act…

> They could enlist as infantry in whatever invasion USA is doing that year, but they're actually scared of guns if they can fire back.

The irony is that soldiers in the US military are usually better trained than the cops, and aren't going to magdump when an acorn hits their patrol car.

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