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VTubing: How a Japanese Phenomenon Is Going Worldwide

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Re: VTubing: How a Japanese Phenomenon Is Going Worldwide

#81

The last section should have been titled “Why Do People Watch It?” because I finished the article still wondering.

I would rather flip the question. Why not?

If you watch streamers, there are going to be Vtubers on the same platform recommended to you.

Are you going to discard/ignore those streams because the streamer is more privacy concious and doesn't show their face, and instead uses an avatar?

Re: VTubing: How a Japanese Phenomenon Is Going Worldwide

#84

The olds always told me some day I would be old myself and would be baffled by what the youngs are into, I think that day has arrived. I haven't hit the "afraid" stage yet but I'm guessing that is coming. well at least my generation hasn't destroyed the world, so they weren't completely right. Yet?

I don't understand the draw of video anything at all; I never have. I can read information 100x faster than a video can provide and I just cannot possibly understand why anyone would want to sit through a 45 minute YouTube video that would have taken 1.5 pages of text. That said, I'm not at all opposed to OTHERS getting the information in the delivery method they prefer. Great; good for you. But! I don't want to see…

None of this is about "information" (apart from the occasional serious moment, like the Juufutei Raden art education streams). It's entertainment.

> sit through a 45 minute YouTube video

This is the reverse. You have 45 minutes and need to fill it with something more interesting than staring at the wall, but not too demanding. Into that hole fits a million different possibilities for entertainment, of which streamers and vtubers are one.

Re: VTubing: How a Japanese Phenomenon Is Going Worldwide

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's certainly possible someone could fake something like that for views, but I'm curious what you consider to be the tells that it's no longer an LLM behind the wheel?

Maybe it's LLM and human actor splitting work, but she looks too natural, too fast and too error-free to be LLM based since too long ago. Just their dictation -> thinking -> TTS loop is too fast to be LLM. Context awareness and character adherence is too perfect as well.

For a model just sending occasional commands to other integrations, they're actually quite slow...

Re: VTubing: How a Japanese Phenomenon Is Going Worldwide

#86
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The first time I encountered VTubing, I thought the point was just to hide your face, for various reasons. Being sensitive about your looks, not wanting to attract stalkers, whatever. But there's apparently a lot more to it; I was surprised.

That's what many western VTubers don't get, they see it as an "avatar" for themselves which is not what VTubing is. It's supposed to be a completely different persona with no connection to your real identity. It completely dilluted (and I would say even ruined) VTubing in the west.

There's a massive cultural chasm here. I can understand why people want to hide themselves, and I can also understand the audience not wanting to see too much behind the curtain, but at the same time it feels unhealthy to not acknowledge that it's a performance with a performer, who should be able to get credit for their work if they want.

Hamlet dies on stage. At the end of the play, he gets up and an actor takes a bow. This does not detract from Shakespeare.

(aside: I think the possibilities for vtuber theatre have been under-explored in favor of musical performances, but that's probably just a matter of audience taste again)

Re: VTubing: How a Japanese Phenomenon Is Going Worldwide

#87

The olds always told me some day I would be old myself and would be baffled by what the youngs are into, I think that day has arrived. I haven't hit the "afraid" stage yet but I'm guessing that is coming. well at least my generation hasn't destroyed the world, so they weren't completely right. Yet?

I don't understand the draw of video anything at all; I never have. I can read information 100x faster than a video can provide and I just cannot possibly understand why anyone would want to sit through a 45 minute YouTube video that would have taken 1.5 pages of text. That said, I'm not at all opposed to OTHERS getting the information in the delivery method they prefer. Great; good for you. But! I don't want to see…

Not everything is about taking information in?

Re: VTubing: How a Japanese Phenomenon Is Going Worldwide

#88

The last section should have been titled “Why Do People Watch It?” because I finished the article still wondering.

That's a bigger question, like why do people watch streamers in the first place. It's not for me personally but it's a huge worldwide multibillion industry so plenty of people enjoy it and / or aspire to be it.

I can at least understand why someone watches a streamer, even though it isn't for me. Streamers tend to be charismatic and entertaining, so watching the person do his or her thing makes sense. But I can't understand the desire to watch a broadcast of a fake persona.

Re: VTubing: How a Japanese Phenomenon Is Going Worldwide

#89

The last section should have been titled “Why Do People Watch It?” because I finished the article still wondering.

I would rather flip the question. Why not? If you watch streamers, there are going to be Vtubers on the same platform recommended to you. Are you going to discard/ignore those streams because the streamer is more privacy concious and doesn't show their face, and instead uses an avatar?

Yes, actually. If I wanted to watch a streamer it would be due to the human element they bring. An avatar doesn't bring that.

Re: VTubing: How a Japanese Phenomenon Is Going Worldwide

#90

The last section should have been titled “Why Do People Watch It?” because I finished the article still wondering.

People will make up a million different reasons, but at the end of the day, the vast majority of vtuber viewers are single men who like to pretend the streamer is their (girl)friend.
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