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Re: Kimi Work

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Post by kalcode »

piker wrote: post #67

It's a mistake to make this such an obvious copy. It will feed the narrative that Chinese entities cannot be trusted by the West. They could have varied it even slightly. It's one thing with hardware because customers don't need to trust suppliers any further than they can throw the box. But these labs seem to be battling for enterprise knowledge work-share. Trust is paramount, and they're already behind on that fron…

Meh, we should just ignore that kind of propaganda. We copy things too, we use a system to protect IP because copying is such a normal and strong human thing to do.

In fact, when we don't discuss China, most find modern software patents and copyright to be abusive.

Finally, copying UX standards has been done for ages, it gives users a comfortable way to start using a product and instead of fighting that to be unique, some rather embrace it.

It can be jarring using so many different apps if each one tries too hard to be unique.

And this is my two cents, here it makes sense to have a similar interface, it's ultimately an app with chat sessions.

Re: Kimi Work

#82

Post by dymk »

piker wrote: post #74
prmoustache wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Copying is not frowned upon in the LLM ecosystem. This is its very reason of existence.

Perhaps, but "we run the exact same business as Anthropic and OpenAI to the pixel at 0.1% the price" is going to raise eyebrows.

Eyebrows will raise at Anthropic / OpenAI, perhaps. Why are they charging 1000x more for the exact same business?

The 'distillation is theft!' shtick won't last long. In fact, unlike Anthropic/OpenAI, these Chinese labs actually had to pay for that 'stolen' training data.

Re: Kimi Work

#83

Post by dymk »

cortesoft wrote: post #65
airstrike wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's precisely the problem. People are building UI/UX for a paradigm that is so utterly new that they miss the mark entirely. Everyone defaults to a big chat input because that's all they know. It's the expectation, so it's safer, faster, and cheaper to not deviate. It's also wrong and bad for work.

A CLI interface has been perfect for my coding work, why is it bad?

Copying a block of multi-line text out of the agent doesn't work over ssh, for instance.

Re: Kimi Work

#84

Post by piker »

kalcode wrote: post #81
piker wrote: post #67

It's a mistake to make this such an obvious copy. It will feed the narrative that Chinese entities cannot be trusted by the West. They could have varied it even slightly. It's one thing with hardware because customers don't need to trust suppliers any further than they can throw the box. But these labs seem to be battling for enterprise knowledge work-share. Trust is paramount, and they're already behind on that fron…

Meh, we should just ignore that kind of propaganda. We copy things too, we use a system to protect IP because copying is such a normal and strong human thing to do. In fact, when we don't discuss China, most find modern software patents and copyright to be abusive. Finally, copying UX standards has been done for ages, it gives users a comfortable way to start using a product and instead of fighting that to be unique,…

I do agree with the UX idea of familiarity, but copying the exact salutations, etc. just seems egregious.

Why not let the model speak for itself and contribute to an open harness?

Re: Kimi Work

#85

Post by Havoc »

People saying copy aren't wrong...but if you can offer a copy at 1/5th of the price then you've got a winning product not a copy

Re: Kimi Work

#86

Post by piker »

bko wrote: post #78
prmoustache wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Copying is not frowned upon in the LLM ecosystem. This is its very reason of existence.

How to make an apple pie from scratch with no copying: Step 1: invent the universe

The baker is not asking you to trust them with your entire knowledge base in exchange for an apple pie.

Re: Kimi Work

#87

Post by piker »

fortylove wrote: post #77
piker wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps, but "we run the exact same business as Anthropic and OpenAI to the pixel at 0.1% the price" is going to raise eyebrows.

Why?

For fear that the data they're entrusted with will be copied or that there is some nefarious reason like state sponsorship that makes the activity economical?

Re: Kimi Work

#88

Post by piker »

wxw wrote: post #80

> Kimi Work is a Local Agent designed for deep workflows. It mounts your local folders, navigates the web autonomously via WebBridge, runs Python code in the background, and executes scheduled tasks. It's clearly a dupe of Claude/Codex products (Codex especially, styling-wise), but I think Kimi's goal here is simply to appear on feature-parity with bigger labs. I doubt they'd want to invest much into designing a UI f…

In that case is there not some open harness that demand can coalesce around?

Re: Kimi Work

#89

Post by homarp »

postalcoder wrote: post #25

kimi has been particularly shameless in copying codex 1:1, wow. Like, I get it, before condex there was conductor and a ton of other guis but this looks like they just copied the code. Also, their privacy disclosure is incredibly misleading: > How does Kimi Work protect my privacy when accessing local files? You have absolute control over your files. The built-in Ask before acting safeguard means Kimi will prompt you…

>kimi has been particularly shameless in copying codex 1:1, wow.

Isn´t codex (edited) Apache 2.0 (thanks @Shank)

https://github.com/openai/codex ?

Re: Kimi Work

#90

Post by piker »

dymk wrote: post #82
piker wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps, but "we run the exact same business as Anthropic and OpenAI to the pixel at 0.1% the price" is going to raise eyebrows.

Eyebrows will raise at Anthropic / OpenAI, perhaps. Why are they charging 1000x more for the exact same business? The 'distillation is theft!' shtick won't last long. In fact, unlike Anthropic/OpenAI, these Chinese labs actually had to pay for that 'stolen' training data.

> Why are they charging 1000x more for the exact same business?

The implication they want to avoid, I'm suggesting, is because the CCP isn't plugged into and funding those entities' activities at a loss. Or they're lying about ZDR, etc. etc.

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