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Looks like it’s behind a paywall. I’ll take their word for it that semi analysis now estimate it to be 80%. That makes my point even stronger, if that number is true, where is the money? The report says that Anthropic generate over $50bn in revenue so at 80% margins that gives $40bn in profit. Where is that money? If they’re generating $40bn in profit, even after accounting for very high employee compensation and tra…
If you figured out how to build a machine that turns electricity into gold with an 80% margin, of course you’d go out raising capital to build more machines.
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If you figured out how to build a machine that turns electricity into gold with an 80% margin, of course you’d go out raising capital to build more machines.
Your contention is they're spending it on what, exactly? Leaks put OpenAI's training spend at single-digit billions so that can't be the machines they're building, and they (OpenAI + Anthropic) are famously renting/leasing/borrowing compute through varying-degrees-of-circular deals... so what's the machines they're building?
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i dont see how compressing the past ruins the present day extrapolation? How does the conclusion change for you if the graph was 3x wider on the left? The title is "rates are rising" is that not true?
A graph is much more than one conclusion; in fact, almost the entire point of graphing is to allow the comparison of "shapes" and to easily hypothesise about associations across datasets. This graph misrepresents the rate the price declines and the length of time it has been stable for, which throws off nearly all non-trivial conclusions.
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no, even if we assume their margins are 90% (they are not) they are still losing money because the $200 plans allow for tens of thousands of dollars worth of inference and a huge number of users are milking every cent across multiple accounts. Every “reset” OpenAI and Anthropic do is setting money on fire. If it were true that they’re making money hand over fist they wouldn’t need to raise tens of billions of dollars…
In Amodei’s Dwarkesh podcast he says that they are constantly estimating the increase in demand for the next leg up, then going out to raise money to build for it. So it’s not necessarily that they are raising money because they are unprofitable.
Anthropic aren't building out the data centres themselves, they're renting/leasing/borrowing from companies that are doing the actual spend on building out infrastructure. And the data centre companies aren't spending their own money, they're borrowing too (hence Apollo investing in data centres). Anthropic are paying SpaceX ~$1.25bn/month right now for access to more compute, that's $15bn a year, more than what these supposed margins would require in total spend (based on current revenue estimates).
https://www.anthropic.com/news/higher-limits-spacex
The SpaceX deal is a great example of Anthropic creating demand, i.e:
> We’ve agreed to a partnership with SpaceX that will substantially increase our compute capacity. This, along with our other recent compute deals, means that we’ve been able to increase our usage limits for Claude Code and the Claude API.
They committed to spending $15bn per year with SpaceX and then increased limits for customers on fixed cost plans, creating more demand without any increase in revenue.
So, sure, it's not necessarily that they are raising money because they are unprofitable, but no alternate explanation makes any sense. The argument that could maybe made in favor is based on announcements like this one:
https://www.anthropic.com/news/anthropic-invests-50-billion-...
> Today, we are announcing a $50 billion investment in American computing infrastructure, building data centers with Fluidstack in Texas and New York, with more sites to come. These facilities are custom built for Anthropic with a focus on maximizing efficiency for our workloads, enabling continued research and development at the frontier.
You might conclude from that, Anthropic are financing Fluidstack's build out, but they're not.
https://x.com/fluidstack/status/2079250004510728559
Just after that announcement, Fluidstack raised $830 million to build out data centres, none of the money coming from Anthropic. Fluidstack are currently rumored to be raising another $1bn. Anthropic's "$50 billion investment in American computing infrastructure" is just committed spend on renting compute from Fluidstack, a commitment that Fluidstack then use to raise money to actually deliver it. If Anthropic making money hand over fist, they wouldn't need to raise for committed spend.
And thus we return to the original question, how does future demand translate to spend? Actual handing over of dollars?
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Your contention is they're spending it on what, exactly? Leaks put OpenAI's training spend at single-digit billions so that can't be the machines they're building, and they (OpenAI + Anthropic) are famously renting/leasing/borrowing compute through varying-degrees-of-circular deals... so what's the machines they're building?
Just as the article supposes: Getting their hands on as much compute as possible to address rapidly growing demand for inference.
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#87When gas prices went up in the 70s because of fuel shortage, smaller (more fuel efficient) cars became more popular to use less fuel to do the same thing. I wonder if the same will happen with compute, by making software more efficient, and do the same thing with less compute.
I bet everyone will soon use a thin client with 4GB of RAM, and all the compute happens in the cloud of some American corporation you pay subscription fees to.
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#88When gas prices went up in the 70s because of fuel shortage, smaller (more fuel efficient) cars became more popular to use less fuel to do the same thing. I wonder if the same will happen with compute, by making software more efficient, and do the same thing with less compute.
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https://epoch.ai/data-insights/ai-chip-production from the beginning of 2026 claimed global AI compute capacity was doubling every 7 months.
> from the beginning of 2026 claimed global AI compute capacity was doubling every 7 months. That's definitely one way to say "it doubled this year"
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You’re talking across the issue. The demand is real because it is cheap. The demand is being generated by OpenAI and Anthropic selling inference below cost on fixed price plans. If everyone was paying the actual costs then demand would fall through the floor. The legal tools you’re looking at use barely any compute. They’re not driving the compute demand. You can validate this by asking how much they are spending on…
My point is that you’re projecting forward into the future where providers need to raise prices, but overlooking the demand that will arise when the rest of the economy starts using AI.
Speak to some of these legal technology companies and ask them 2 questions:
1. How much is your AI spend on coding? 2. How much is your AI spend on AI within your product?
The answer to #1 will dwarf #2 by orders of magnitude. And that's now, when these companies are still finding their feet, using the most expensive frontier models for their product that are likely overkill (as the product matures, they'll find the right mix of cost vs. capability, whether that's lower cost models from frontier labs, or open weight models).
Put simply, compute does not scale with economic value. A task you bill $500/hour for could be done in 2 seconds by an LLM vs. a task a developer bills $500/day for could take an LLM 10 minutes. Same dollar value, huge disparity in compute.
The only use-cases for AI that are comparable to coding on compute are image and video generation. Unless we end up with an economy primarily made up of companies producing code, image and video, there's literally no way compute needs can keep growing without subsidies.
I think it is hard to overstate just how much "work" is being done by Claude Code and Codex because it is "free" at the point of use. There are millions of newly minted developers prompting Claude and Codex to generate trillions of lines of code every single day because it has no marginal cost, not because it is driving any economic value. And as soon as they're exposed to the real cost, when economic value becomes a factor, they're going to stop doing it (as we're already seeing with companies like Uber).
Through your YC connection and legal work, you have access to a lot of very successful people working in every industry: ask those 2 questions, how much are they spending on coding with AI vs. how much are they spending on AI in their product? You're going to find that even the most aggressively AI-integrated products are spending pennies on their product's AI usage compared to the dollars they spend on their AI coding.
We're at peak compute demand, and it is almost entirely driven by coding, which is subsidized. The real economy isn't like the creative and chaotic make things and see what sticks world of coding. The real economy is boring, routine, regimented, task oriented, you hire people, train them, they do the tasks, you make some money. Most of the economy could be replaced with a few semi-intelligent macros.
Yes, AI is coming to every industry, you're right, but it isn't going to explode compute demand, it is going to make these industries more efficient, it is going to reduce costs, not shift them to compute, because $1 of compute can do more than $1,000 of a human in most industries.
We can come back to this comment in a couple of years. I bet we'll be using less compute then than we are today.