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SpaceX bond worth 10% less than issue price – heading for junk bond status

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#81

Good thing there's a strong corporate governance model at SpaceX where the c-suite is fully accountable to an independent board of directors, who could use their majority voting power to remove that c-suite at will. Could you imagine the abuse of power that could happen if one person held over 50% of the voting power at such a company?

Interestingly enough, strong corporate governance and independent directors do not produce better returns. This is a central point in Eric Rees's book Incorruptible.

https://leeds-faculty.colorado.edu/bhagat/bb-022300.pdf

Re: SpaceX bond worth 10% less than issue price – heading for junk bond status

#82
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I can't comprehend for the life of me that people put their life savings in what Elon Musk is doing. Are people not seeing how he's lying about the future all the time? He said he aimed to have 5000 Optimus robots out by end of 2025, 50000 by 2026 and 10 times that in 2027. He promised in 2015 that full autonomous driving would arrive in 2 years and we aren't there yet 11 years later. He even said in 2016 that there…

From what I can tell, the sad truth is that people think “he’s a billionaire / trillionaire, I want to be involved with that.”

It’s a variant of the people who pick “Jay-Z” in the meme question “would you rather have half a million dollars or lunch with Jay-Z?”

Re: SpaceX bond worth 10% less than issue price – heading for junk bond status

#83

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Why is this only about Elon to some people? It's not only about Elon.

I have a friend who unironically said "Elon Musk is the most important human who has ever lived"

Re: SpaceX bond worth 10% less than issue price – heading for junk bond status

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Good thing there's a strong corporate governance model at SpaceX where the c-suite is fully accountable to an independent board of directors, who could use their majority voting power to remove that c-suite at will. Could you imagine the abuse of power that could happen if one person held over 50% of the voting power at such a company?

Are super shares like Zuckerberg's and Musk a new thing? Genuinely curious if they're a recent invention or something that's quietly happened for a while because it seems like a large inversion of the deal of going public, lose some control of the company in exchange for a large amount of cash but these nonvoting/supervoting share splits seem to completely upend what I understood to be part of the deal for access to…

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Re: SpaceX bond worth 10% less than issue price – heading for junk bond status

#85
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The worst about the SpaceX IPO is Nasdaq changing their inclusion rules for the Nasdaq 100. The index fast-tracked SpaceX stock for inclusion 15 days after the IPO, instead of the normal three-month seasoning period. They also changed its 10% minimum float rule to a 3x weighting boost for low-float stockss. So many people will unwillingly and prematurely invest into SpaceX, before it has any chance to discover its re…

Is this really the worst thing? People keep bringing this up but it’s the Nasdaq 100. It would be shocking if we were talking about the SP500.

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Isn't it realistically only worth talking about SpaceX stock a few years out? The random walk the stock will do after an IPO seems very uninformative.

How often do companies issue a $25B bond the same month that they IPO?

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#87
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Quite honestly IPOs and the stock market in general is a Ponzi scheme. This is something I would never have said before. I am not a skeptic. I invested in the markets for years and made money on Amazon, Google, twilio, and so many others. But I also lost a lot of money buying near or after the IPO. The game is rigged. Those who put money in post IPO in the 12 months after are left holding the bag for years. It takes…

What you’re saying is entirely vibes-based. The actual data utterly contradicts your claim (see sibling).

I don't think so. It's strident and it may be eliding some details, but the idea is IPO shares are available to institutional investors first and that adds a tax for retail investors that is probably not worth paying. A suspicious mind might go so far as thinking the institutional investors don't necessarily care about the underlying metrics at IPO up to a certain number of shares: they know that whatever X opens at, they can get 1.25X for the shares immediately after.

Re: SpaceX bond worth 10% less than issue price – heading for junk bond status

#88
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I can't comprehend for the life of me that people put their life savings in what Elon Musk is doing. Are people not seeing how he's lying about the future all the time? He said he aimed to have 5000 Optimus robots out by end of 2025, 50000 by 2026 and 10 times that in 2027. He promised in 2015 that full autonomous driving would arrive in 2 years and we aren't there yet 11 years later. He even said in 2016 that there…

Some people, many people, recognize him as a serial liar/exaggerator, but think he will make them rich too. Eventually that probably stops being true.

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#89

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Why is this only about Elon to some people? It's not only about Elon.

because the value (or lack of) on most companies he manages are tied to his personality cult. it's the main "product" of those stocks, not always what the company does. see the tsla rewards (hence investments), the board places more resources on musk doing his road show than factories, as proved by hard factual numbers.

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If these figure represent actual deaths (big if), those people will have died because literally nobody on earth was willing to pay to keep them alive--yourself included.
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