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European "age verification" "app" forcing everyone to use Android or iOS

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Re: European "age verification" "app" forcing everyone to use Android or iOS

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Isn't AOSP a thing?

This app requires Google Play. AOSP alone won't cut it.

In fact, it requires attestation: even if you install Google Play on some Android in an emulator/container/VM, on an alternative Android distro or in a rooted device, the app will not accept it.

Re: European "age verification" "app" forcing everyone to use Android or iOS

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This is only an issue if it's the only way of verifying your age. If it's still accessible to everyone and this makes it significantly easier for 99.9999999% of people then why not?

Easier than… not using age verification ? It's not like it's a feature for you the end user, it doesn't solve any of your problems, on the contrary, it creates new ones.

So we should just let children order alcohol and cigarettes online then?

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You can (and should) be mad at the government and at Roblox at the same time. Also, don't use Roblox, you can freely share games made with PICO-8, Löve, Godot, Rpgmaker, Game maker and the like, no need to go to the hell scape that is Roblox and its dark patern and locked down ecosystem.

None of the engines you mentioned are nearly as approachable as roblox when it comes to making a 3D game with little programming or art skills. Don't get me wrong. I agree roblox is a very shady operation, but that does not erase the fact that their platform is unmatched when it comes to letting kids make games.

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Re: European "age verification" "app" forcing everyone to use Android or iOS

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Don't fall for the trap. The question isn't how we should technically force age verification on anybody. The question is why they're pushing it onto everyone. I did not consent to this, neither did you.

But it is needed to protect the children. The politicians say so, so it has to be true. Being against this is very dangerous to our children and democracy. There is no alternative. Seriously, there is something tremendously wrong with governance when politicians keep changing the whole world around us, without us having any say in it at all. The threat this measure poses to the internet and society is significant, ye…

Children die from wrongly-prepared food, thus we should only allow people to eat at McDonald's from now on! /s

Re: European "age verification" "app" forcing everyone to use Android or iOS

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Funny how the worry of "digital exclusion" of the elders who would never be able to use a smartphone has been thrown out of the window in recent years.

They probably think that they do not use "social media" either, so it does not affect them. But elders are not the only category. In any case, it is fundamentally wrong to be forced to use a specific platform, American or European, mobile or desktop, for Internet service access.

Re: European "age verification" "app" forcing everyone to use Android or iOS

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Regardless of whether you personally use Android or iOS, I think that we can all agree that it is not right to be forced to use a specific platform in order to access almost any Internet services.

This is only an issue if it's the only way of verifying your age. If it's still accessible to everyone and this makes it significantly easier for 99.9999999% of people then why not?

Well, the plan is for it to be the only one. And even if it isn't, what's the alternative? Persona again? No thanks. They could have helped and made an alternative version of this system which used the ID chip plugged into a desktop PC, but they intentionally won't do so.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

None of the engines you mentioned are nearly as approachable as roblox when it comes to making a 3D game with little programming or art skills. Don't get me wrong. I agree roblox is a very shady operation, but that does not erase the fact that their platform is unmatched when it comes to letting kids make games.

RpgMaker is really approachable for a 13yo. There also Luanti, the new name of MineTest, which is closer to the Roblox experience (in the sense that there already a playable game there, and creating new stuff is closing to modding than to game making).

The Roblox experience also includes a huge existing player base who may come and play your game without having to install anything new on their machines. I'd say this social factor actually matters a lot for Roblox where many if not most games are multiplayer.

The only thing close is minecraft, which from what I heard already has similar restrictions on in game chat, plus other shady maneuvers from Microsoft.

Re: European "age verification" "app" forcing everyone to use Android or iOS

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Easier than… not using age verification ? It's not like it's a feature for you the end user, it doesn't solve any of your problems, on the contrary, it creates new ones.

So we should just let children order alcohol and cigarettes online then?

With whom credit card, to whom mailbox, on whom device ?

Does Roblox sell them ? If no it's a non sequitur.

How much of a problem is the online availability of alcohol or cigarettes in the health of children ?

Re: European "age verification" "app" forcing everyone to use Android or iOS

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Im confused, the github discussion says that the README says App and device verification based on Google Play Integrity API and Apple App Attestation But I can't find that anywhere. Am I missing something?

It used to say that, it was removed as a PR measure, while in practice the national implementations (as you do not use this app, but a national one) require it, because the specification only mandates Android/iOS versions to be provided (it allows others, but no government will do so), and it does not mandate them not to have "attestation".

Re: European "age verification" "app" forcing everyone to use Android or iOS

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I guess it's that time of the week again. Do we have a sockpuppet account to welcome in you by any chance? The (actual) complaint of the thread appears to be resolved already (which would make sense given this is old news): > In the README, the following is listed: >> App and device verification based on Google Play Integrity API and Apple App Attestation The README.md does not appear to feature such a section (nor a…

In the thread you will find many examples of national implementations which do require attestation. It was removed from the README as a PR measure, but in practice the specification does not prohibit it, so national implementations will still use it.
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