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Wikipedia escapes Category 1 designation under the UK Online Safety Act for now

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Re: Wikipedia escapes Category 1 designation under the UK Online Safety Act for now

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Did you actually read the article. Ofcom used a "novel reading of the law" to exempt Wikipedia. The law it seems already covers Wikipedia. Ofcom are choosing not to enforce. I interpret the watchlist comments as ofcom setting up a defensible position for themselves. Yes the law is probably wrong to include Wikipedia, but the enforcers of the law seem to have common sense. Which overall seems to be a win.

I'm guessing they won't do it because it will finally wake the public up to all of this, I.e. bad press + scrutiny. The law should be applied equally to all, it shouldn't be a popularity contest.

and if it is a popularity contest, mystifying that wikpedia would qualify, it has many serious flaws (generally of the form that a small number of zealots can control the messaging on topics they are obsessed with where most people just want information and are unaware that there are people who don't share their enthusiasm for truth)

Re: Wikipedia escapes Category 1 designation under the UK Online Safety Act for now

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Considering wikimedia hosts what most people would consider porn (randomly came across a video of a couple going at it once) without any ability to filter it from the rest of the content/hide by default, it's not that surprising they are covered, I'm more surprised ofcom relented.

Just because there's a video of sexual acts doesn't mean Wikimedia exists for the prurient interest. It's not like Wikimedia is hosting a clip from "Backdoor Sluts 5", it's really just video of sex in the academic sense. Does a young child need to watch it? No, but I also don't think it should it should be censored. A teenager below the age of majority may benefit from seeing what sex actually is. So often a teenager…

>Just because there's a video of sexual acts doesn't mean Wikimedia exists for the prurient interest.

nice goalpost move. just because wikimedia doesn't exist solely for the prurient interest doesn't mean that it should therefore provide pornography to children in places that have made that illegal.

And just because you tilt the table toward providing pornography to children doesn't mean I should be downvoted for honest debate.

Re: Wikipedia escapes Category 1 designation under the UK Online Safety Act for now

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Probably because the US was founded by the immigrants who fled because they hated the way the system worked in their original countries, and designed a system that's diametral opposed to that, for better and for worse.

Right, that's what I'd lean to as well. But was the reason they left the legal tradition? In this telling of the story, they were fully aware of the legal tradition being the reason for their unhappiness. But is it true? I know the original immigrants/colonists were looking for a specific kind of religious freedom they couldn't have, but you must be speaking of the later waves (which are the majority of people). I re…

The original immigrants/colonists were Puritans and their approach to the governing and liberties, well, it can be arguably called proto-totalitarian. Remember, those were the same kind of people that managed, of all things, to push the Parliament to prohibit celebrations of Christmas and Easter during the English Interregnum, despite massive popular backlash. The Puritans in the American colonies had roughly the same attitude:

    Christmas observance was outlawed in Boston in 1659, with a fine of five shillings. The ban
    by the Puritans was revoked in 1681 by an English appointed governor, Edmund Andros; however,
    it was not until the mid-19th century that celebrating Christmas became fashionable in the
    Boston region. Before the Declaration of Independence in 1776, it was not widely celebrated
    in the American Colonies.
There is much written about the Puritans in the North America; their ideas, sadly, influenced the American political thinking and culture a lot.

Re: Wikipedia escapes Category 1 designation under the UK Online Safety Act for now

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Identity verification should be illegal by default and companies that want to do it should have to prove it's absolutely necessary for their business.

The Wikipedia page implies that all the designated "Category 1" websites will now either have to collect ID from their users worldwide, or remove any presence in the UK. Edit: there's a list of the Category 1 services at https://www.ofcom.org.uk/online-safety/illegal-and-harmful-c... I.e., Facebook, Instagram, Pinterest, Quora, Reddit, Roblox, Snapchat, TikTok, Whatsapp, X, YouTube. Plus others at the Category 2A or…

> In 2027, the law will impose extra obligations on the most popular services.

I presume this is the extra obligation starting in 2027 that wikipedia mentions.

Re: Wikipedia escapes Category 1 designation under the UK Online Safety Act for now

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You know why all who grew up under the soviet regime in the eastern block are totally alergic to englands direction nowadaways.

Sadly many of those countries are now in the EU which will force them to adopt similar legislation

Re: Wikipedia escapes Category 1 designation under the UK Online Safety Act for now

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> If the letter of the law doesn't enforce the spirit of the law, it was poorly written or it's out of date and needs to be amended. I think if you rewrite that to, “If the letter of the law is demonstrably out of sync with the public sense of the spirit of the law, then it should be amended,” I’m with you. But I think that’s not what you meant? If you meant “the letter of the law should define prescribed and proscri…

Here is a fun exploration of that concept: https://novehiclesinthepark.com/

That's mostly an exploration of how laws need to define terms.

It's also an exploration of how people will ignore instructions to answer based on letter or spirit alone. (I bet asking separately about both for each scenario is the only way to get clean data.)

Re: Wikipedia escapes Category 1 designation under the UK Online Safety Act for now

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Identity verification should be illegal by default and companies that want to do it should have to prove it's absolutely necessary for their business.

The Wikipedia page implies that all the designated "Category 1" websites will now either have to collect ID from their users worldwide, or remove any presence in the UK. Edit: there's a list of the Category 1 services at https://www.ofcom.org.uk/online-safety/illegal-and-harmful-c... I.e., Facebook, Instagram, Pinterest, Quora, Reddit, Roblox, Snapchat, TikTok, Whatsapp, X, YouTube. Plus others at the Category 2A or…

How did Discord escape category 1, the most notorious and infamous chat client!? Lmao
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