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Re: Better Auth is joining Vercel

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Post by BoorishBears »

Jnr wrote: post #79
jgeurts wrote: post #46

Bummed. Vercel is not a great steward of open source. Happy that Bereket got an exit, though.

How so? I am using their open source software, what have I missed?

We came full circle!

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45393382

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45398577

I've said before:

> Vercel is not a problem. Pumping millions of dollars into the JS ecosystem through sponsorships and events to define the development landscape in terms of what helps your bottom line... that's bad.

> What Rauch is doing is the developer equivalent of private equity squeezing, and what's insane is how well it's working.

Re: Better Auth is joining Vercel

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Post by notatoad »

slig wrote: post #48
notatoad wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, we rolled our own auth as well. Everybody says you shouldn’t, it’s a risk, etc etc. but to me that’s less risk than our auth getting bought by somebody whose business goals don’t necessarily align with mine.

The data lives in your server, everything is yours, if that happens, you just fork or write your own. Not sure what writing yourself first buys here.

Using something third party isn’t free - even for zero monetary cost there’s integration cost, documentation, support, and maintenance uncertainty.

The choice between rolling your own and third party is already a trade-off. The future uncertainty around third party services without a clear business just tips the scales, it’s not the whole justification.

Re: Better Auth is joining Vercel

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Post by zuzululu »

RideOnTime22 wrote: post #69
zuzululu wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

depends what LLM you are using but most frontier models have seen almost every github/doc/best practices its very hard to get something like supabase/lovable type of mess unless you purposely prompt it to be bad without much inner knowledge but even then it is rectifiable with the right prompts

Everything is "rectifiable with the right prompts" if you handwave the hallucinations it makes (which yes, even frontier models do. Or I guess all companies that had major outages within the past months were using fossil models). And it's funny this same argument can be said since Sonnet 3.7. But the issues still pop up.

we've advanced significantly since 3.7

Re: Better Auth is joining Vercel

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Re: Better Auth is joining Vercel

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Post by emreb »

kommunicate wrote: post #31
khurs wrote: post #7

Reminder - KeyCloak was donated to CNCF so a safe choice https://www.keycloak.org https://www.cncf.io/blog/2023/04/11/keycloak-joins-cncf-as-a...

Is keycloak still the only real game in town for open source authorization (not authentication; that part is totally fungible)?

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Re: Better Auth is joining Vercel

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Post by aitchnyu »

How is BetterAuth in terms of vendor lockin? For a hobby project, I once tried a provider which stored all data within itself and required API calls for every user request. Then I tried Hanko which just authenticates and can be replaced relatively easily (very easily if no passwords IIRC).

Re: Better Auth is joining Vercel

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Post by FlxMgdnz »

aitchnyu wrote: post #89

How is BetterAuth in terms of vendor lockin? For a hobby project, I once tried a provider which stored all data within itself and required API calls for every user request. Then I tried Hanko which just authenticates and can be replaced relatively easily (very easily if no passwords IIRC).

Thanks for mentioning Hanko. Data minimalism is one of our core values, so I’m really happy to see that appreciated.
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