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DOJ Closing Abbott Labs Case Spurs Wider Corporate Crime Retreat

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Re: DOJ Closing Abbott Labs Case Spurs Wider Corporate Crime Retreat

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Post by SomeHacker44 »

br0ceph wrote: post #9
Kapura wrote: post #6

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_strongly_ pro-crime

on a daily basis the current US president commits treason against the people of the united states, which im pretty sure even presidential immunity doesnt protect against. Just one of the shady dealings with foreign monarchies, laudering their bribes directly to the president thru billion dollar purchases of worthless crypto "assets" ala world liberty financial; should land the president and his entire family in capit…

I believe treason is literally defined in the constitution itself as taking up arms against the country. By that definition, I think there have been few to almost no treasonous people in recent decades.

Re: DOJ Closing Abbott Labs Case Spurs Wider Corporate Crime Retreat

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Post by complianceowll »

solid_fuel wrote: post #41
complianceowll wrote: post #27

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This urge to defend the indefensible and “both sides” the most corrupt administration in American history is exactly the problem. Go take a look in the mirror.

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Re: DOJ Closing Abbott Labs Case Spurs Wider Corporate Crime Retreat

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Post by complianceowll »

solid_fuel wrote: post #61
sculper wrote: post #55

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Worth noting that the commenter you're replying to is only LARPing as a centrist. The comment history of his other (now-banned) accounts are directly at odds with some of the "truths" he claims to have realized. https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=complianceowl https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=owlcompliance

That’s very often the case with these guys. No one can seriously look at the modern political landscape in the United States and seriously claim that both parties are effectively the same, or even that they both bear equal responsibility for the terrible state of government. The Republicans have been in the business of scrapping the US for parts since the 90’s, it’s just accelerating. At worst, the Democrats have bee…

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Re: DOJ Closing Abbott Labs Case Spurs Wider Corporate Crime Retreat

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Post by complianceowll »

Sabinus wrote: post #74
sculper wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Worth noting that the commenter you're replying to is only LARPing as a centrist. The comment history of his other (now-banned) accounts are directly at odds with some of the "truths" he claims to have realized. https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=complianceowl https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=owlcompliance

But why is he obfuscating so much? What motivates one to lie about their own politics for so long?

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Re: DOJ Closing Abbott Labs Case Spurs Wider Corporate Crime Retreat

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Post by mindslight »

Sabinus wrote: post #74
sculper wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Worth noting that the commenter you're replying to is only LARPing as a centrist. The comment history of his other (now-banned) accounts are directly at odds with some of the "truths" he claims to have realized. https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=complianceowl https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=owlcompliance

But why is he obfuscating so much? What motivates one to lie about their own politics for so long?

It's a cope, and it follows the dynamic reactionary talk radio has been using for decades - get people riled up about the system in general, cool them off just enough to go vote Republican, and then leverage their having made that choice to rationalize why it was somehow justified. Rinse and repeat.

(I'm coming from a centrist libertarian position here, not a partisan one)

Re: DOJ Closing Abbott Labs Case Spurs Wider Corporate Crime Retreat

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Post by mindslight »

burnt-resistor wrote: post #76
mindslight wrote: post #12

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I don't think this quite captures it. The "Dual State" concept seems much more on point. https://www.thefunsinthefight.com/p/welcome-to-the-dual-stat...

It's even more nuanced than that. Vaguely, there are 3 caste buckets: - A privileged state - for the rich and powerful to get away with crimes - A normative state - for ordinary people whom experience more prosecutions - A prerogative state - for poor and enemies whom experience arbitrary injustice and persecution for infractions or made-up crimes

I'd say you're making a different framework. In the dual state framework, your privileged state/caste is just an aspect of the prerogative state. The dual state framework doesn't declare "which way" the illegality goes. I'd say that trying to define that directionality is already trying to impart normative state concepts (of illegality) onto the prerogative state.

Was Alex Pretti a victim of your prerogative state, and his executioners were merely government agents executing a state imperative? Or was he a victim of gang violence and his executioners were part of the privileged state? In the dual state framework, the answer is wu.

But don't let me discourage you from expanding upon your framework! It may be more effective at explaining some things. It just needs to be more substantial than trying to do a simple tweak in an HN comment.

Re: DOJ Closing Abbott Labs Case Spurs Wider Corporate Crime Retreat

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Post by complianceowll »

mindslight wrote: post #85
Sabinus wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But why is he obfuscating so much? What motivates one to lie about their own politics for so long?

It's a cope, and it follows the dynamic reactionary talk radio has been using for decades - get people riled up about the system in general, cool them off just enough to go vote Republican, and then leverage their having made that choice to rationalize why it was somehow justified. Rinse and repeat. (I'm coming from a centrist libertarian position here, not a partisan one)

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Re: DOJ Closing Abbott Labs Case Spurs Wider Corporate Crime Retreat

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Post by mindslight »

complianceowll wrote: post #87
mindslight wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a cope, and it follows the dynamic reactionary talk radio has been using for decades - get people riled up about the system in general, cool them off just enough to go vote Republican, and then leverage their having made that choice to rationalize why it was somehow justified. Rinse and repeat. (I'm coming from a centrist libertarian position here, not a partisan one)

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Note I said centrist libertarian. I think the Libertarian party, along with much of "libertarian" thought, has been captured by rightist fundamentalism - effectively turning it into crypto-fascism. But I continue to consider myself libertarian as I believe that individual liberty is still the most appropriate yardstick and framework by which to evaluate and analyze systems.

Your "unconditionally voted against any form of welfare" is what I call rightist fundamentalism. I figured out long ago that merely saying "no" to everything makes it so that politically soft targets (ie services that benefit citizens) take damage, while politically hard targets (eg defense industrial complex) continue unimpeded. So I'm right there with you on the heuristic of voting for subsidized education or healthcare in the face of having massive deficit budgets regardless. If I were given the choice I would much prefer sound monetary policy, but as that never seems to be an option then squeezing citizens while pouring trillions into corporate welfare and war is utter foolishness.

> No real structural change, regardless of who is in office

Except there was a huge structural change in 2024, with the blessing of autocratic authoritarianism by the voters (following its creation and approval by the supreme council and congress during 2016-2020). That is what you're ignoring and supporting by continuing to both sides here.

Pre-2016 administrations (and even Trump 2016) were not "dictatorships" - rather they were bureaucratic authoritarianism. That bureaucracy had at least kept the exercise of authoritarian power constrained and predictable.

Re: DOJ Closing Abbott Labs Case Spurs Wider Corporate Crime Retreat

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Post by financetechbro »

Kapura wrote: post #6
vannevar wrote: post #5

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Given that the President is a convicted felon who maintains that what he did was fine, and that he has pardoned thousands of unrepentant criminals, and that the vast majority of his party enthusiastically endorsed all this, I would say "pro-crime" is an understatement.

_strongly_ pro-crime

Crime maxxxing

Re: DOJ Closing Abbott Labs Case Spurs Wider Corporate Crime Retreat

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Post by complianceowll »

mindslight wrote: post #88
complianceowll wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Note I said centrist libertarian. I think the Libertarian party, along with much of "libertarian" thought, has been captured by rightist fundamentalism - effectively turning it into crypto-fascism. But I continue to consider myself libertarian as I believe that individual liberty is still the most appropriate yardstick and framework by which to evaluate and analyze systems. Your "unconditionally voted against any for…

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