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Buried Apple feature turns an iPhone into the perfect kids' dumb phone

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Re: Buried Apple feature turns an iPhone into the perfect kids' dumb phone

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Mobile Device Management (MDM) is the only effective way to restrict idevices. All you need is a macbook and Apple Configurator. You can remove safari, blacklist or whitelist websites, block installing apps, block deleting apps. It's really customizable. Edit: expanded acronym.

I've used MDM to make my iPhone dumb. It's great! I wish there was an easy way to publish my configuration so others could use it / adapt it, but it's a little involved because you have to wipe your phone the first time you set it up with configurator.

I did that when I had an iPhone, I agree it was excellent. More people should do it.

Looking forward to MDM support on GrapheneOS.

Re: Buried Apple feature turns an iPhone into the perfect kids' dumb phone

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post #63

Mobile Device Management (MDM) is the only effective way to restrict idevices. All you need is a macbook and Apple Configurator. You can remove safari, blacklist or whitelist websites, block installing apps, block deleting apps. It's really customizable. Edit: expanded acronym.

MDM is the worst part of iOS. It undermines all of apple’s security claims, basically making iOS windows. Devices should not be able to be remotely controlled.

It can be done all locally. How can an optional feature that's not even easy to use be the worst part of iOS?

Re: Buried Apple feature turns an iPhone into the perfect kids' dumb phone

#83
post #42

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As I parent I am downvoting this because I am quite tired of others judging parents and their technology choices- particularly when it comes to restrictions. Parenting is hard. Parenting when everything is changing so quickly is very difficult.

Way I see it, most parents give their kids early access to phones just to keep them sedated and occupied. There is zero benefit for under 14yo to have unrestricted access to the smartphone or internet. It only benefits the parents.

It's so damn easy to hit "pause" on the kid by turning on the TV or handing over a phone, but the result is so apparent: demands for more phone or more TV.

Re: Buried Apple feature turns an iPhone into the perfect kids' dumb phone

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>children have quickly found workarounds for such measures, such as asking friends to message them links, which can bypass restrictions when opened I was very surprised of this by my own kids find workarounds like l33t hackers. Apple's restrictions are a joke. The app store is full of things they can mess with. My daughter mentioned some way to get around screen time. I've ended up just taking the iPads away.

When I was a kid my parents wouldn’t give me a cellphone. I wanted to call my girlfriend. Well, really, my girlfriend wanted me to call her. A lot. They didn’t give me one. I ended up finding a way to get my own through a more apathetic adult who I could pay cash to cover my bill (only an extra $10/month on a family plan). I certainly am not telling you to just cave in, but perhaps this story can be a reminder that t…

What's stopping them from getting a burner device anyway? Imposing too much control can push them away, but a lack of direction can also make them wander.

All you can do is nudge and try not to worry too much. It's certain there are other influences in their life you don't know about.

Re: Buried Apple feature turns an iPhone into the perfect kids' dumb phone

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post #69

I like the feature, but I don't like the assumption at the beginning. > Come September, he will have to walk across town to school on his own. But if he's going to be walking around out in the world without me, then a tracking tag won't cut it. He is far too young to have unfettered access to the internet and social media platforms, but what if he gets lost? A classic Nokia, supplying just texts and calls, won't come…

We had some friends over last form the US. One 11 yr kid in the group was bored and said: ok I’m gonna go home now, I need the keys please. He walked home by himself - maybe 500 meters… For us Europeans it was nothing to notice really, but the Americans were absolutely shocked.

And I've been where the Americans had some friends over from the US, and the 11/12 year olds grabbed some rifles and said they'd be back tomorrow. The Americans barely noticed, the Europeans flipped.

America is big, and parts of it can be very different.

Re: Buried Apple feature turns an iPhone into the perfect kids' dumb phone

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post #4

>children have quickly found workarounds for such measures, such as asking friends to message them links, which can bypass restrictions when opened I was very surprised of this by my own kids find workarounds like l33t hackers. Apple's restrictions are a joke. The app store is full of things they can mess with. My daughter mentioned some way to get around screen time. I've ended up just taking the iPads away.

You are teaching your children to be even more secretive and hide things from you even better.

Re: Buried Apple feature turns an iPhone into the perfect kids' dumb phone

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I like the feature, but I don't like the assumption at the beginning. > Come September, he will have to walk across town to school on his own. But if he's going to be walking around out in the world without me, then a tracking tag won't cut it. He is far too young to have unfettered access to the internet and social media platforms, but what if he gets lost? A classic Nokia, supplying just texts and calls, won't come…

This stuff truly makes my head spin. How do these people think humanity came to be, to today? Do they understand we in historically safe times? I thought the pendulum was swinging back on helicopter parents but some adults, some HN adults, have more money and tech-bias than common sense, or self-awareness, or any awareness of what they're doing to the children. And then remarking that they get around those restrictions. DUH?! Jesus, do some people here struggle this much to remember their own childhoods???

Re: Buried Apple feature turns an iPhone into the perfect kids' dumb phone

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post #28

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When my friend's kids were totally obsessed with League of Legends, I offered to set up a home firewall with increasingly difficult workarounds, so by the time they graduated high school they'd at least have a cybersecurity certificate and possibly a Ph.D in networking.

That’s how 80s kids learned computers and programming. Trying to install a game and having to lookup what the hell “fat32” was.

HIMEM.SYS and EMM386.EXE you mean :-)

Re: Buried Apple feature turns an iPhone into the perfect kids' dumb phone

#89
post #21

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What age groups are we talking here, because if we're talking about a 7 year old, giving them unfettered screen time is probably bad parenting. However if we are talking about someone old enough to have gf/bf its probably also bad parenting to not let them develop their own self control around technology. They have to be an adult eventually.

I was a teenager, if that wasn’t clear. But I was more of the mindset of lending a story, I can’t say whether or not it’s relevant to the parent commenter’s scenario.

I don’t think “one can get around rules” is a very insightful thing to say, it’s just a truism.

Re: Buried Apple feature turns an iPhone into the perfect kids' dumb phone

#90
post #58

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the idea of tagging my kid with a tracker like they're a wild bird being tracked is repugnant

Just a suggestion, be more mindful when you make comments involving other people's kids. (which is generally a no-no unless you're invited to) On the internet is fine, but I've been to places around the world where a comment like that would result in black eyes, missing teeth, etc.

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