And yet there are still climate change deniers here. Look at any BBC article about this where they enable comments and about a quarter of the upvotes are for denier comments. Absolutely insane.
Europe's new climate in seven charts
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#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not a fully invalid view in Europe to an outsider's eye. There is a world where nuclear power and ACs were built to prepare Europe for this without increasing global warming. That world was blocked by environmentalists. Now it's no ACs and russian natural gas imports anyways.
Thanks for exemplifying what GP said
If I'm wrong in my thoughts then note how.
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#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
People one or two generations before you felt that about the cold war.
The cold war never heated up. Even if we stopped using fossil fuels tomorrow, it will take millennia for the climate to return to normal.
Won't the climate change naturally even in the absence of fossil fuels? Like it has during all of history? What's "normal" is based on a small slice of human history, which itself is a small slice of the planet's history.
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#84Why such short term graphs? One of them only goes back 1991, and the longest term only goes back to 1946.
Yes... why!! Let's go back... ah, I see mile-high glaciers over London. Global warming did occur in the past as well.
How is that a reason to exclude it from the graph? Surely including it in the charts would strengthen the case for regarding it as a long term problem?
Excluding it subtly suggests that global warming is a short term phenomenon.
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I'm 100% behind it, but would regulation of financial markets and balanced tax policy do for global warming ? Sure heavy regulation of industries and fossil fuels usage but financial markets, im not sure.
Financial markets are the reason nobody has top-down control, because the market has control. I don't remember where I read that where employees in companies think AI is stupid but their manager wants them to, the manager also thinks AI is stupid but the CEO wants them to, the CEO also thinks AI is stupid but the board wants them to, the board thinks AI is stupid but investors want them to, and when they interview so…
What would you suggest that humans could do to steer it away from climate change?
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This doesn't sound like a serious question
It does when people start talking about a heatwave as being the "start of the end of human existence." It strongly implies that these trends will wipe out humanity in very short order. Perhaps even within the lifetimes of people in this thread. What I find most amusing is people somehow think climate change will end humanity faster than what's _actually_ on track to do so, and quickly: people having children well bel…
Both are temporary. Hopefully the reduction in population leads to a more sustainable humanity that changes the climate less.
BTW both of these have been predicted since the 80s.
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#87"Europe's rapid warming is partly the result of [...] a drop in the number of tiny polluting particles in the air. This means that less of the Sun's energy is reflected back into space, leaving more energy to heat the Earth's surface." Hmmm...
This is a fairly well-known phenomenon, and sometimes comes up in geoengineering discussions. It’s dangerous ground; thing about fine particulate matter is you generally don’t want to breathe it.
Ideally we would want a fine particulate that stays high in the atmosphere, and doesn't come down where we need to breathe
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#88to me, these heatwaves feel like the start of the end of human existence
Serious question, are you doing a simple extrapolation and assuming in 10 years Europe is going to have 60C heatwaves or something?
no, im running on the assumption that the heat will stay at around 35C but get progressively longer, for months at a time countries that have developed around ~20C heat will not be able to cope. many people will die.
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#89What strikes me is the relative sharp change. CO2 has been rising since, what 250 years ? However real effects of global warming seems to be felt since, like 10 years old ?
Atmospheric CO2 has been accelerating. We increased atmospheric CO2 by as much the last 25 years as we did the preceding century.
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#90to me, these heatwaves feel like the start of the end of human existence
The prophecies always were about water stress and food security. How that plays out, I don't know. If it's anything like the recent energy spikes it means burdening future generations of wealthy countries with subsidised amenities while others go without.
There is a lot of desertification of farmland going on, including in the USA.
It gets abstracted away for richer countries as they can outbid the poorer countries for food. In developed economies, most of a particular piece of food's price is not the costs that go to the farmer, but costs that come later in the process, so that cost increasing is also felt less.
Heatwaves on the other hand affect the western countries directly.