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Europe's resistance to AC is driving it insane

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Re: Europe's resistance to AC is driving it insane

#81

I can’t hear this degrowth strawman anymore. There are probably 20 people complaining about people wanting degrowth for everyone who actually advocates for that. It’s not like every politician in Europe is advocating for that.

Degrowth is absolutely not niche in Western Europe. In Germany and NL, it is the new religion along with free Palestine movement. Take any moderately educated Zillenial and ask them what they feel passionately about. People are feeling more and more alienated from large scale projects of humanity. They have also given up on religion itself. What remains is a facade of religion where degrowth and Palestine take act as…

What an insane post.

Re: Europe's resistance to AC is driving it insane

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You're right, the USA is huge and highly diverse as well. Yet, I'd still say it's more of a unit than the EU is, in many ways, and especially more so than "Europe". That's what I meant with "Europe is not a unit like the USA is"; not that the USA has absolute unity and Europe has none. But I may be wrong about the USA's cohesion on a deeper level, I've never been there and only see it through an outsider's lens.

Determining whether Europe or the US is more diverse is like asking the question: “are there more doors or wheels in the world?” To answer such a question, you need to over qualify your definition to the point where the final answer is meaningless and thus doesn’t act as a useful premise for any argument. Maybe there exists a perfect definition of diversity that would be useful, but still in this unlikely case, the q…

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Re: Europe's resistance to AC is driving it insane

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A party that has ~20% vote share (amongst educated) is legitimately considering degrowth. https://www.wetenschappelijkbureaugroenlinks.nl/artikelen/gr... They also advice Post Growth which is degrowth-lite, read the document yourself. > In fact, the degrowth movement, which is rapidly gaining popularity among activists and scientists, advocates the deliberate scaling back of overproduction and overconsumption to brin…

High on the political agenda of degrowthers is radical redistribution of wealth. Consuming less should be especially true for the 10 percent richest in the world, because they are responsible for half of CO2 emissions Tht dutch have about 1% of world wealth, so the above is just empty posturing since they don't have jurisdiction. Why not sabotage the world to fix the issue? Create some new diseases because that is de…

Why would they want to sabotage the world? They want to sabotage themselves. They don't want people to use AC in their homes.

Re: Europe's resistance to AC is driving it insane

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You're right, the USA is huge and highly diverse as well. Yet, I'd still say it's more of a unit than the EU is, in many ways, and especially more so than "Europe". That's what I meant with "Europe is not a unit like the USA is"; not that the USA has absolute unity and Europe has none. But I may be wrong about the USA's cohesion on a deeper level, I've never been there and only see it through an outsider's lens.

Determining whether Europe or the US is more diverse is like asking the question: “are there more doors or wheels in the world?” To answer such a question, you need to over qualify your definition to the point where the final answer is meaningless and thus doesn’t act as a useful premise for any argument. Maybe there exists a perfect definition of diversity that would be useful, but still in this unlikely case, the q…

How does qualifying the definition go from being fine, to being overqualifying? If you want to compare two things, you do have to define what those two things are in the first place. The answer is wheels, because of the many small ones. Toys, office chairs, and luggage. Vs an estimatable quantity of doors because we know roughly how many homes there are in the world. The final answer doesn't become meaningless simply because you've defined the problem concretely. There are many debates to be had, but as to the question of is Europe or America more diverse, the proper response, thus, is: by what metric?

Re: Europe's resistance to AC is driving it insane

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Degrowth is absolutely not niche in Western Europe. In Germany and NL, it is the new religion along with free Palestine movement. Take any moderately educated Zillenial and ask them what they feel passionately about. People are feeling more and more alienated from large scale projects of humanity. They have also given up on religion itself. What remains is a facade of religion where degrowth and Palestine take act as…

What an insane post.

You are replying to a post about Europe's resistance to AC that is causing distress over the full continent. You are free to decide what is more insane. My post or Europe's resistance.

Re: Europe's resistance to AC is driving it insane

#86

Central-western Europe will have to massively install ACs, sooner or later, either only for cooling or both. They will not resist the summer heat in the coming years. Good for the AC companies. The most difficult step is to accept the ugliness of the external unit to their beautiful buildings. Imagine Paris with a gray box hanged out of each 35m2 apartment.

Can they paint the ugly grey box to be a different color?

Re: Europe's resistance to AC is driving it insane

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I would guess once there's enough solar generation installed, it would push prices low enough to make it worth decreasing stored heat by precooling

Variable electricity rates are the best way to encourage the user base to actually do this. I was on Griddy for 2 years and had a system where I'd run my AC hard up until 4pm and then I'd set it to 78F until the rates came back down. Unfortunately these schemes were made illegal for the consumer segment in Texas because most people are complete dumbasses and need to be pandered to politically when anything unexpected…

Which were the people that were "dumbasses" in that situation, and why?

Re: Europe's resistance to AC is driving it insane

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What an insane post.

You are replying to a post about Europe's resistance to AC that is causing distress over the full continent. You are free to decide what is more insane. My post or Europe's resistance.

I don't see it personally, in real life or in the news. Anyone with a house can add a heat pump that works as an AC here. Apartment buildings are harder of course, and lots of buildings are very old. Domestic homes generally don't have US like HVAC at all, typically use warm water or electric radiators in each room in apartments. But anyone with an apartment can use a portable AC and connect the outlet to their window.

The rest of your post is what nutcases on streetcorners rant about. And its easy to see why there's resistance against Israel as Germany is one of its biggest supporters.

Re: Europe's resistance to AC is driving it insane

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Determining whether Europe or the US is more diverse is like asking the question: “are there more doors or wheels in the world?” To answer such a question, you need to over qualify your definition to the point where the final answer is meaningless and thus doesn’t act as a useful premise for any argument. Maybe there exists a perfect definition of diversity that would be useful, but still in this unlikely case, the q…

How does qualifying the definition go from being fine, to being overqualifying? If you want to compare two things, you do have to define what those two things are in the first place. The answer is wheels, because of the many small ones. Toys, office chairs, and luggage. Vs an estimatable quantity of doors because we know roughly how many homes there are in the world. The final answer doesn't become meaningless simply…

You are playing the doors/wheels game naively because you have already overly qualified your definition of what is a door and what is a wheel without realizing it.

Have you considered for example if ball bearings wheels? Are gears and sprockets just notched wheels? Do cabinet doors count as doors? Do windows count as doors? Do microchip logic gates count as doors? What about pet flaps? Heart valves? Etc etc.. One’s definition of wheel/door can not account for these and countless other grey areas while still being useful.

Maybe one can strain oneself to find a definition that works like how people strain themselves to find a definition of sandwich that includes hoagies but disclude hotdogs, or one can just work backwards from one’s crude definitions and misclassify many objects.

Regardless, there is no right answer if there are more doors or more wheels. The question is too vague. Something that may be possible to answer is a more qualified question like “are there more human-sized doors or wheels for human transportation.” But again now the question is not our original question. And even if we were satisfied with just answering this more qualified question, we would have trouble answering it without a lot of money or making bad assumptions like the distributions of doors/wheels in a given house is uniform across all cities/towns/suburbs/houses etc..

Re: Europe's resistance to AC is driving it insane

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Europeans are very proud of the fact that they're a bunch of different countries, but besides the language thing, Europe is only somewhat more culturally diverse than the US. The differences in philosophy, social norms, and general life outlook between Hawaiians, Northern Californians, and New Yorkers and Georgians is only marginally less wide than the differences between the French, English, Germans, and Italians. I…

Hawaiians, Northern Californians, and New Yorkers and Georgians speak the same language, go to the same schools and watch the same TV shows. And even just Western Europe is larger than Germany, France, Italy, England. European countries have distinct histories that span thousands of years. Did you know that Arabs ruled over part of the Spanish peninsula for 3 times as long than US has even existed? The ignorance at t…

They do not go to the same schools. The school system is controlled nigh-exclusively by the states, to rather infamously mixed results. That Northern Californian kid is getting a world-class education. The kid in Georgia is almost certainly not.

Meanwhile, the US is wildly more diverse at the local level than Europe is, which leads to its own significant cultural differences. Up in Northern California, about a quarter of people are of Asian descent, predominantly Indian and Chinese. Another quarter is Latino. Southern California is half Latino. Jump across the country to the Midwest, you've got a lot more people of German descent, in the South you've got Black people making up a significant portion of the population. What the US lacks in local history, it makes up for in cultural admixture: all those diverse backgrounds end up stewing together in unique ways across the country, producing all sorts of unique cultures. Leads to some fantastic fusion foods: Spam wasubi, breakfast burritos, American pizza, soul food, Chinese-American cuisine. Sure we don't our own thousand years of rich fucks inbreeding over funny hats, but the wide spectrum of cultures across across the US draw from the histories of everywhere on the globe.

Compare that with, say, Germany. Germany is 70% ethnically German. Most US states aren't even that 'White', never mind breaking that down by individual countries of origin.

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