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Re: Michigan spent $1.8B and only created 602 jobs

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Post by linzhangrun »

saddat wrote: post #34

It works in China as there absolute experts Work in government , whereas in Europe government employees are typically not competitive in free market

It is not completely like that...In China, "government experts" is absolutely a negative term. On the Chinese internet we often called then "砖家", which is a homophonic pun about their low level.

Policy stability may be an advantage, but it does not mean the long-term planning is really long-term planning: Real estate; birth rate; gender antagonism; wealth gap; extremely involuted education, where even primary school students have to get home at least after 6pm, and then spend another three hours doing test papers, combined with purely formal university education and very low employment rates after graduation; a working environment where even a five-day, eight-hour workweek is really rare in private companies, where unions are only a placeholder, and individuals are very powerless against companies...

We saw what happened in Japan and South Korea, and we walked into the same path in an even more extreme way.

On the Chinese internet, Japan and South Korea are often called the "super test servers", while China is the "official server": the same problems are further intensified.

Re: Michigan spent $1.8B and only created 602 jobs

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Post by peterfirefly »

Avicebron wrote: post #32
coldbrewed wrote: post #24

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We need more judges and prosecutors that are hungry to catch corruption and are willing to go after white collar crime.

We need people of the "can't afford a house, making 50K a year in a rural state" class in politics. That would shake things up.

They will mysteriously suddenly be able to afford houses (plural) without making much more than 50K a year.

Re: Michigan spent $1.8B and only created 602 jobs

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Post by expedition32 »

coryrc wrote: post #43
glenpierce wrote: post #41

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The reason you never hear that is because waste and fraud are very low in reality. That’s why this made the news. It’s uncommon. We should be using the government to help people and when we do, it often does a good job. Examples: Roads, libraries, fire departments, schools, safety regulations…

Our public transportation infrastructure literally cost 10x per mile than France or Hong Kong. That's not waste to you? For what California has spent/is spending on high-speed rail from nowhere to nowhere, China blanketed their country? Notice you also left out police. How's our spending working there?

The police in America is amongst the best in the world. They do a good job keeping people in line projecting authority and terror.

Re: Michigan spent $1.8B and only created 602 jobs

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Post by deaux »

WalterBright wrote: post #69
deaux wrote: post #55

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> That's because the US also defends the free world. The US invasions of Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Iraq have sure helped defend the free world. How many trillions went into those combined? Fantastic return per $ of "free world defense".

Consider all the US bases in Europe, there to defend Europe against Russia. And the bases in the Pacific and Japan. Greenland, too! When I lived in Germany in the 70s, we were driving on the Autobahn one day, and I saw a jet hedgehopping at full blast over the countryside. I asked my dad what was going on, and why didn't the Germans complain about it. (Hedgehopping is how you avoid radar detection.) He replied that t…

I did consider those. The cost of the overseas bases is a rounding error compared to the invasions.

Re: Michigan spent $1.8B and only created 602 jobs

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Post by deaux »

paulddraper wrote: post #61
deaux wrote: post #55

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> That's because the US also defends the free world. The US invasions of Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Iraq have sure helped defend the free world. How many trillions went into those combined? Fantastic return per $ of "free world defense".

Don’t forget Ukraine!

Unfortunately Ukraine too is a rounding error compared to the invasions. It's negligible compared to Afghanistan on its own, let alone if you include Iraq.

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Post by camgunz »

D_Alex wrote: post #71
windows_hater_7 wrote: post #53

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I’d note that China does not need democratic approval for any of its projects and thus is substantially more efficient.

And what lesson should be drawn from that?

That it's easy to build things when you oppress and enslave people.

Re: Michigan spent $1.8B and only created 602 jobs

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Post by coryrc »

xphos wrote: post #80
coryrc wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Our public transportation infrastructure literally cost 10x per mile than France or Hong Kong. That's not waste to you? For what California has spent/is spending on high-speed rail from nowhere to nowhere, China blanketed their country? Notice you also left out police. How's our spending working there?

I mean building infrastructure is literally done by private groups the government hires not the government itself. Infantalizing the government as unable to do anything is the biggest myth of the 20th century. When the government did build the roads for the interstate high system they were much cheaper. They cut through any possible regulations and just built them. If government is slow its because we have regulated…

> because we have an almost infinite number of examples in the US of it doing it.

... before the 1970s. Nothing this millennium, or even the last quarter of the 20th century. It's been, at minimum, 50 years since we've cost-effectively built anything at scale.

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