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Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by throw310822 »

clusterhacks wrote: post #47
lelanthran wrote: post #12

Feels like I need to repeat myself more than once a day now: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48697258 > These companies providing tokens, whether SOTA or not, that want to IPO are so fucked as time goes on. >Can't sell their SOTA models, only slightly better than the open source models for the models they can sell, cost 20x to 50x for good models, a TAM that consists almost solely of developers, with no customer…

I used to agree with you but now do not. I now think the floor for this market is probably no worse than the annual revenue of cell phone plans in the US market. So say, $250 billion. Now, that probably doesn't justify the valuations and hype being thrown around, but I think it gets at a real revenue number. I also don't know how that number fits into the funding rounds already raised and VC dreams of IPOs for these…

Interesting idea and reasonable number, but cell phones need a lot of infrastructure and they need interconnection. The risk here is that in the future a combination of near-sota open weights models optimised to use as little resources as possible and a reasonable drop in compute price, will make possible for small and tiny providers to compete with Anthropic/ OpenAI or even for people to run their own private models for most applications. Then large, expensive sota models would only be used for research and to answer the small subset of general user queries that need that kind of intelligence.

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by a34729t »

lelanthran wrote: post #12

Feels like I need to repeat myself more than once a day now: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48697258 > These companies providing tokens, whether SOTA or not, that want to IPO are so fucked as time goes on. >Can't sell their SOTA models, only slightly better than the open source models for the models they can sell, cost 20x to 50x for good models, a TAM that consists almost solely of developers, with no customer…

The open models are half the equation. The other half is Apple's hardware, which is likely to see major memory bandwidth improvements over the next 2-3 generations and will be capable of running substantial models locally. By that point the open models will be beyond today's SOTA.

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by black_knight »

janalsncm wrote: post #76
arw0n wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect that Grok has been ironically lobotomized by pressures to correct its political views. Similarly, I could imagine the Gemini folks working in a significantly more complex corporate climate, with different parts of Google pushing for different capability focuses. They are only lagging behind less than a year, so it isn't too large of a gap yet. That said, the fact that Anthropic is currently the top dog sugg…

That shouldn’t affect Grok’ coding ability. How often are people discussing politics with Claude code? Writing decent code is just hard and it’s not just Grok.

Why would these be independent?

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Post by victorbjorklund »

h26d3r wrote: post #58
w4yai wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is not. Where's the danger ? We will need to adapt, as in every technology progress, but what do you think will happen ? Realistically ? Don't feed the fearmongering. Yes, we're disrupting the status quo, if that's the danger, then welcome to the world.

Any superintelligence operating under a consistent moral framework will decide to extinguish humanity with as little ecological damage as possible, because humans cannot coexist with other life on this planet. It will realize that a bioweapon is the ideal choice.

That doesn’t make sense. You could make the same claim about intelligent people who operate under a consistent moral framework.

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Post by janalsncm »

bwhiting2356 wrote: post #79
janalsncm wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That shouldn’t affect Grok’ coding ability. How often are people discussing politics with Claude code? Writing decent code is just hard and it’s not just Grok.

It affects their ability to hire and retain talent.

If training a good model requires talent then that’s the answer to the question this thread is trying to answer: is training a good model actually that hard?

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Post by janalsncm »

black_knight wrote: post #83
janalsncm wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That shouldn’t affect Grok’ coding ability. How often are people discussing politics with Claude code? Writing decent code is just hard and it’s not just Grok.

Why would these be independent?

More specifically, political lobotomy shouldn’t affect coding ability.

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by tough »

alwa wrote: post #78
fwipsy wrote: post #15

First impression: Third-party benchmarks or gtfo. Personally, I've never heard of either of these companies before. We're just supposed to take their word that they've matched the best models on the market? Sakana describes their model as a "Orchestration Model." Does that mean that it's actually a bunch of different models glued together?

My impression is that the answer is yes, that it purports to dispense the glue on-the-fly in some kind of dynamic way rather than being some kind of new model-amalgam. See also contemporaneous reaction at: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48624782 (6 days ago, 244 points, 133 comments)

Also sakana has misrepresented their findings previously i think to remember [1]

1.https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1iwbwgu/sakana...

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by OsrsNeedsf2P »

cdurth wrote: post #62

I tried the Fugu models with some real world tales in C# and unity using mcp and open code. I exhausted the $20 plan 5 hour window in one prompt to review my theme system and plan some color changes. So I upgraded to the $100 to see the implementation and result. Well the result was worse than Opus, incredibly slow, and I ended up exhausting the new 5 hour window and have used 35% of the weekly now and it hardly crea…

We provide a similar service for Godot instead of Unity, and 20$ plan being exhausted in one prompt on a top model like Opus sounds about right. That's the life when you pay API prices and can't afford 10x subsidies.
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