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FUTO Swipe – A new swipe typing model

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Re: FUTO Swipe – A new swipe typing model

#81
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This is amazing! It's driven me nuts for a very long time that so many mobile keyboards allow totally non-sequitur nonsensical sequence completions. In particular, if you end up using the voice input mode of it and have trouble with accuracy, I would giving a try to the biggest model that it supports. It's slower (although really not bad at all on my Galaxy Fold), but it's so nice to have it actually be as accurate a…

Do they still have that issue where it will randomly spit out a string of emojis when using voice to text?

Not for me so far!

Re: FUTO Swipe – A new swipe typing model

#82

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Blast from the past here for you, probably not relevant any more, but a cool reimagining of gesture interfaces: https://www.the8pen.com/ Edit: apparently there's a modern successor? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=inc.flide.vi8

I really liked this in the day (and i just played with the version you linked and can still remember all the key patterns - I'm typing this comment with it now). But it just can't touch swiping for speed. Frankly, the keyboard I miss most is the T9 predictive text from my old school pre smart phone era. Nothing has come close to the same expressiveness and speed while being usable completely blind, only by feel. I do…

I should have guessed. Of course someone has done this. (-:

* https://github.com/sspanak/tt9

Re: FUTO Swipe – A new swipe typing model

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I love swiping for speed, because it's usually faster than tapping and easy to do one-handed, but then there are always a bunch of words that are too similar that it can never get right, it doesn't deal well with doubled vs single letters, etc. So for the longest time, I've wanted a new keyboard layout specifically designed for swiping. In the same way that Dvorak was optimized for ergonomically typing English words,…

> Because I love swiping, but all my problems with it come from the fact that the QWERTY layout is far from ideal for it. I am 100% willing to learn a new layout if anyone will develop an optimal one for English so that swiping has a 99.9% accuracy rate instead of what currently feels more like 90% or 95%.

90-95% is a very good estimate! That's about what we measure on our test set. I have good news for you, and we will have a blog post about it soon. Because of how our models are built, we are able to optimize for detection accuracy directly by constructing synthetic swipes on each layout for ~50k words, and then testing them through the model. We tested around 800,000 layouts this way.

The biggest issue with QWERTY is that there are far too many words that swipe colinear or obtuse angle letter trigrams. These are both hard to detect and frustrating for swipe users, because you can't clearly indicate the letters you're gesturing. Neural swipe models (at least ours) look for indicators in the gesture pattern that suggests a user was targeting a specific letter, rather than trying to match a gesture shape like algorithmic detection does.

The shape of the keyboard can significantly improve the way the gestures are formed so that there is better indication of letters. The model can still respond to dwell times because unlike shape matching it uses the temporal information. But dwell interrupts flow, and in my opinion should be minimized in swipe layouts.

Re: FUTO Swipe – A new swipe typing model

#85

I love swiping for speed, because it's usually faster than tapping and easy to do one-handed, but then there are always a bunch of words that are too similar that it can never get right, it doesn't deal well with doubled vs single letters, etc. So for the longest time, I've wanted a new keyboard layout specifically designed for swiping. In the same way that Dvorak was optimized for ergonomically typing English words,…

Blast from the past here for you, probably not relevant any more, but a cool reimagining of gesture interfaces: https://www.the8pen.com/ Edit: apparently there's a modern successor? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=inc.flide.vi8

If, as there, one swipe gesture per letter is allowable, rather than a gesture encompassing a whole word, then things like Thumb-Key become options.

* https://github.com/dessalines/thumb-key

It has a similar sort of 'It doesn't have to have 26 keys on something the size and shape of a mobile 'phone.' thinking as 8vim has, whilst raising a good 'You know 'phones worked fine with a 3 by 4 grid for 60 years, ne?' point, but adding a modern twist of 'We can swipe, in the 21st century.' to the old notion of multiple letters on a button.

There are still these people thinking outside of the typewriter-keyboard-on-a-'phone box. (-:

Re: FUTO Swipe – A new swipe typing model

#86
post #29

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> shit It's just a commercial license with very mild terms.

Yeah, honestly. I love open source as much as the next guy, but I don't understand why people are so up in arms about this. The license feels pretty reasonable. The source code is fully available, none of the features are paywalled. They only prohibit you from taking their code and reselling it. If you take a look at the Play Store, there are thousands of instances where open source projects are lazily renamed and so…

It's just another proprietary software, on the lesser evil side of spectrum. The reason for people being so up in arms about it, is because voting for lesser evil makes it greater.

Re: FUTO Swipe – A new swipe typing model

#88
post #78

I love swiping for speed, because it's usually faster than tapping and easy to do one-handed, but then there are always a bunch of words that are too similar that it can never get right, it doesn't deal well with doubled vs single letters, etc. So for the longest time, I've wanted a new keyboard layout specifically designed for swiping. In the same way that Dvorak was optimized for ergonomically typing English words,…

FUTO Swipe supports ClearFlow, which is exactly what you are talking about, a keyboard layout optimized for swiping: https://clearflowkeyboard.github.io/ https://github.com/futo-org/futo-keyboard-layouts/issues/163

Does It work for non English languages?

Re: FUTO Swipe – A new swipe typing model

#90
post #47
post #34

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they do, but it's on fdroid too - at that point the play store is simply a nice to have. if google does anything they don't like they can just say okay and keep publishing on fdroid, they have not lost whatever efforts they have invested into android. apple has absolutely no way to just publish an app and let people install it, which at least to my mind delegitimises them as a viable platform. I'm pretty sure if I ma…

> they do, but it's on fdroid too It's notoriously not on f-droid. The way FUTO licenses and/or builds its thing is made deliberately incompatible with f-droid's main repository. You can add the futo repository to the f-droid client, but when people talk about f-droid they really mean the main repository, not the extra hoops to add less trusted third parties.

Also the way they publish it it doesn't have the reproducible build features of F-Droid
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