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Re: SMPTE Makes Its Standards Freely Accessible

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In France if a standard is mandated by law (like electrical home wiring) then it must be freely available. I assume most democracies have similar laws, it's a basic right to know what laws you should follow ...

Does that actually mean "freely" (as in beer) available, or it must be able for anyone to be procurred?

I would assume that France, like many countries heavily rely on ISO standards, which in many cases cost some money. Or is it the case that those standards are not explicitly mandated, but are essentially only fulfillable by knowing the ISO standard?

Re: SMPTE Makes Its Standards Freely Accessible

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This would potentially lead to a whole lot of injured people. There are already DIY jobs that are safe for homeowners to do. But some really should be done by a professional. It's one thing to make the POP3 standard free; worst case your mail gets lost. It's another to make the standard for the electrical code free, so that people can incorrectly implement its quite complicated rules, and result in things like fires…

This is a patently ridiculous take. People are still DIYing the very things you are concerned about, just not knowing whether what they did was up to code or not. Just look up DIY on YouTube and see.

Having access to the code won't change that. As laypeople it is too complex for them to understand. Often they simply ignore the code if they personally believe the code is unnecessary. It takes years of experience to understand why you should follow instructions you'd rather not. That's part of why the apprentice period is so long.

I have never seen a YouTube video where anyone even mentioned the code unless they were a professional or engineer. Most people are not very smart. Making the code free isn't going to make them smarter. I'm the one guy on subreddits telling people not to modify random beams in their house unless they know how it ties into the rest of the structure to determine the structural impact. 99% of people reply that I'm over-reacting. That's how they act towards the code. Slap it real hard and if it seems solid it's good to go.

Re: SMPTE Makes Its Standards Freely Accessible

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This would potentially lead to a whole lot of injured people. There are already DIY jobs that are safe for homeowners to do. But some really should be done by a professional. It's one thing to make the POP3 standard free; worst case your mail gets lost. It's another to make the standard for the electrical code free, so that people can incorrectly implement its quite complicated rules, and result in things like fires…

This is a patently ridiculous take. People are still DIYing the very things you are concerned about, just not knowing whether what they did was up to code or not. Just look up DIY on YouTube and see.

Not to mention, they also cannot spot when their contractors are blatantly cutting corners.

Re: SMPTE Makes Its Standards Freely Accessible

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From [1], >This move is part of a broader effort to modernize the organization's Standards development and publication processes. Recent initiatives include: >Adopting GitHub-based workflows for version control >Issue tracking and automation >Transitioning to structured HTML-based authoring >Implementing an integrated publishing pipeline that streamlines document creation, review, validation and release. I am not ent…

GitHub == git, which is free. You can clone the repo and push it to wherever. No comment on the rest. I am just pointing out that using GitHub for source code doesn't mean mean that code can't be easily forked or used elsewhere. I suspect GitHub is for convenience since the majority of folks using git use it.

The git part of github is a very small part of it, they are using Github issues etc which are not exportable/cross-platform.

So yes, you can git clone the repo and get the HTML, but if you want all the other stuff (the "github based workflows") then you have to use github.

Re: SMPTE Makes Its Standards Freely Accessible

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Great, now do AES and IEEE.

At least AES membership gets you free access to all of their standards, which is more than can be said for IEEE. Source: I'm a card-carrying AES member.

Indeed, I only learned this recently. There was a time when AES digital library access required an extra fee.

Re: SMPTE Makes Its Standards Freely Accessible

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I don't understand why any standards body would consider not doing this as a default.

Because it costs a massive amount to get standards with this technical quality. They go through meetings, have a decent amount of staff to run, organize, have conference costs (locations...), take years to get done. Someone has to pay for this. Making companies (and often, many of the individual members do this out of their own pocket) pay it all means worse standards, as some people stop going. Sharing the cost to m…

I don’t know how SMPTE works, but ISO meeting participants are, famously, unpaid volunteers. Or perhaps I should rather say negatively paid, as it costs money to participate in (more than one) meeting.

Re: SMPTE Makes Its Standards Freely Accessible

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In France if a standard is mandated by law (like electrical home wiring) then it must be freely available. I assume most democracies have similar laws, it's a basic right to know what laws you should follow ...

Does that actually mean "freely" (as in beer) available, or it must be able for anyone to be procurred? I would assume that France, like many countries heavily rely on ISO standards, which in many cases cost some money. Or is it the case that those standards are not explicitly mandated, but are essentially only fulfillable by knowing the ISO standard?

When the EU legislates compliance with a standard into law, they pay the standards body for a license covering all EU residents and citizens

Re: SMPTE Makes Its Standards Freely Accessible

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a patently ridiculous take. People are still DIYing the very things you are concerned about, just not knowing whether what they did was up to code or not. Just look up DIY on YouTube and see.

Having access to the code won't change that. As laypeople it is too complex for them to understand. Often they simply ignore the code if they personally believe the code is unnecessary. It takes years of experience to understand why you should follow instructions you'd rather not. That's part of why the apprentice period is so long. I have never seen a YouTube video where anyone even mentioned the code unless they we…

> As laypeople it is too complex for them to understand. Often they simply ignore the code if they personally believe the code is unnecessary. It takes years of experience to understand why you should follow instructions you'd rather not.

Same is true about anything from cooking to crocheting to brushing teeth. Documentation isn't written for those who know, but for those want to know, and those who know better and would rather not follow it tend to not read it in the first place. It's as true of ISO standards as it is of instruction manual to your induction stove, or electric toothbrush.

> That's part of why the apprentice period is so long.

I'm going to bet that technically, post-COVID, it's "$300 + few hours of videos and a quiz" long.

(At least that seems to be the case for basic electrical work over here, in Poland, according to the electrician who did lights in my apartment the other day.)

> I have never seen a YouTube video where anyone even mentioned the code unless they were a professional or engineer.

Perhaps because they have no access to it without spending unreasonable amounts of money on it, unless they were a professional or engineer? YouTube videos are bargain bin education. A random video you referred to costed less to make than getting a bootleg copy of the code would. Probably whole channel did.

> Most people are not very smart. Making the code free isn't going to make them smarter.

Nothing will help "most people". But the rest would benefit.

BTW. most contractors are in the "not very smart" group too, which is a possible reason why you won't get many answers from them - they're either unable to, or plain unwilling to entertain people asking "why".

> I'm the one guy on subreddits telling people not to modify random beams in their house unless they know how it ties into the rest of the structure to determine the structural impact. 99% of people reply that I'm over-reacting. That's how they act towards the code. Slap it real hard and if it seems solid it's good to go.

It's a separate subject, but thing is, they're probably right.

In my experience, the difference between a load-bearing wall and a regular one boils down, for most people, to the question of whether they need a hammer drill or will regular cordless drill suffice. The hole is happening either way. I used to be the guy worrying about it a lot, until I noticed that even contractors don't care. Unless I'm literally asking them to cut a new entryway through the load-bearing part, they don't even parse the question.

Was I right to worry? Are they wrong? Well, I presume no to both, or else apartment building collapse would be daily news. Then again, I can't tell for sure, because of people in power thinking "it's too complex for [laypeople] to understand" and gate-keeping standards and codes.

Re: SMPTE Makes Its Standards Freely Accessible

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In France if a standard is mandated by law (like electrical home wiring) then it must be freely available. I assume most democracies have similar laws, it's a basic right to know what laws you should follow ...

In the Netherlands it doesn’t quite work like that in reality. There’s a whole bunch of laws that refer to norms indirectly. In theory you could meet requirements without them but in practice it is absolutely impossible.

Re: SMPTE Makes Its Standards Freely Accessible

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At last. It's time the whole would gets on board with open standards that are truly open, and there is explosive devopment going on in the world of new approaches to media production and distribution that this can only aid. It's net-head vs. Bell-heads all over again, and one of the biggest reasons for the success of the IETF standards was the no-cost availability of all their standards.

Last time I checked (a few years ago), you had to pay some ridiculous price (230$ iirc) to view the SQL specification. SQL!
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