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Re: Migrate from OpenClaw

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Post by pkulak »

Multiplayer wrote: post #20

My simple take: Hermes is for the less technical and is more polished. OpenClaw is deeper with more capabilities. OpenClaw has come so far since its' original launch/craze. I recommend taking a second look if you haven't touched it in a while. If for no other reason than it's just a really fun playground with a LOT of areas to experiment in. Setup a myriad of agents with various models, skills, cron jobs, etc. The co…

I tried OpenClaw, but holy smokes, that project is bigger than Postrgres. All I want is a Pi session I can put on a server and load up with skills, that I can chat with over matrix.

To that end, I found this amazing project called OpenCrow. It's aggressively DM chat, and I wanted support for group chats (so it can be a household helper), so I forked* it and made it exactly what I want.

Now I actually have two personal agents, one just for me, and one for the household. They are each in their own container, and the whole thing is managed by my Nix* config.

* https://github.com/pkulak/opencrow

* https://github.com/pkulak/nix/tree/main/modules/features/ope...

Re: Migrate from OpenClaw

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Post by maxrev17 »

Yeah, everyone has built their own version of all this shit.

I built smth similar which lets you delegate from say local model to Claude or mimicode to pi. It does audited, workspace segregated mcp calls with only 3 tools ever in context. It can store skills, cross harness memory, inbuilt AI first task manager. Workflows that can run on triggers or schedules which take skills, a model, a prompt and a hand picked set of mcp tools (very granular).

I use this to let me know what’s going on, to save tokens in Claude by delegating to MiMo and deepseek, and local models in pi.

No one using these things has a use case for them - if they did they’d have built it themselves like I have. Because with ai… you can!

Oh and it can work via telegram (cos if it doesn’t is it even an ai harness token furnace!!??)

Re: Migrate from OpenClaw

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Post by [deleted] »

ChadMoran wrote: post #79
noufalibrahim wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not so sure of that. A friend of mine automated the lead generation and marketing function of his tiny startup using OpenClaw and set of skills he wrote for it. It would find potential leads (from a list of sources), contact them, score them and keep the owner informed via. Slack about what's going on. They actually closed a few deals following up on leads generated by their bots.

One success case doesn't prove the comment you responded to isn't true.

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Re: Migrate from OpenClaw

#84

Post by pythonaut_16 »

ChadMoran wrote: post #79
noufalibrahim wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not so sure of that. A friend of mine automated the lead generation and marketing function of his tiny startup using OpenClaw and set of skills he wrote for it. It would find potential leads (from a list of sources), contact them, score them and keep the owner informed via. Slack about what's going on. They actually closed a few deals following up on leads generated by their bots.

One success case doesn't prove the comment you responded to isn't true.

It literally does though? GP said they'd never seen anyone achieve anything interesting.

The person you're replying to said they know someone who closed a few deals as a result of their OpenClaw. How is that not interesting?

It doesn't prove that it's globally useful, well implemented, or even worth the cost/effort. But it is something interesting.

Re: Migrate from OpenClaw

#85

Post by deadbabe »

jas8425 wrote: post #66
Multiplayer wrote: post #20

My simple take: Hermes is for the less technical and is more polished. OpenClaw is deeper with more capabilities. OpenClaw has come so far since its' original launch/craze. I recommend taking a second look if you haven't touched it in a while. If for no other reason than it's just a really fun playground with a LOT of areas to experiment in. Setup a myriad of agents with various models, skills, cron jobs, etc. The co…

I really want to like these "agentic assistant" tools, because I feel like the problem they claim to solve is real: give me an interface across desktop and mobile to a persistent backend where I can set up agents (using natural language) to do... whatever I want. Deep market research? Building + hosting a browser game? Checking my email? etc. But after trying both Hermes and OpenClaw, it feels like they both... miss…

People want to think of their computers as a little dollhouse of AI running around doing stuff for them.

OpenClaw is just a toy. There is no use case for it and I haven’t heard of anyone do anything remotely interesting with it. People like to vaguely say it “manages” stuff for them, whatever that means.

Anything requiring serious automation can be automated deterministically via a script, probably written by an LLM.

If you want a coding agent, get a coding agent, you do not need OpenClaw.

What an enormous waste of money and effort (Actually, there’s no effort at all, it’s just AI slop running wild)

Re: Migrate from OpenClaw

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Post by hadlock »

ransom1538 wrote: post #54
jacobgold wrote: post #51

What are you automating with OpenClaw in June, 2026? I used OpenClaw -> Hermes -> my own thing now. I've got things like code review, email inbox/spam filtering, website monitoring for bad links/typos, HN/Bluesky notifications, favorite director/actors/author alerts, etc. I mostly interact with them using Slack and Email.

I don't understand people running OpenClaw. I just full shot a prompt to create a better clone. Its extremely custom to my work and flow. I use it as a personal agent, emails, slacks + as a hardcore coding agent. If it sees a problem in email it will create a ticket, assign it to an agent monitor progress, get a PR ready for me - then it harasses me until I review the PR. If I ignore the PR it will call my wife. It c…

There are lots of relational databases today; MySQL, Postgres, Oracle etc. But IBM's System R established the pattern in 1974, and later IBM products SQL/DS and DB2. And of course their competitor, Oracle. OpenClaw might not have been the absolute exact first, but it did establish the pattern and is the head of the family tree of modern agents, stretching back, oh, about 7 months now. Of course there will be better architectures. Functional AI Agents deployable at home didn't exist a year ago.

Re: Migrate from OpenClaw

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Post by dostick »

pythonaut_16 wrote: post #84
ChadMoran wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One success case doesn't prove the comment you responded to isn't true.

It literally does though? GP said they'd never seen anyone achieve anything interesting. The person you're replying to said they know someone who closed a few deals as a result of their OpenClaw. How is that not interesting? It doesn't prove that it's globally useful, well implemented, or even worth the cost/effort. But it is something interesting.

But did you notice that all such success stories is someone automated marketing or generation of slop content?

Re: Migrate from OpenClaw

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Post by Terretta »

brettcvz wrote: post #60
nullbio wrote: post #56

I still don't understand the point of these. I use AI basically 12 hours a day, and still haven't found a use case for it that isn't solved easily with existing tools, bash scripts, cron jobs, etc. Especially with Codex App now, why do I need OpenClaw? I don't need to be able to call my AI agent on the phone... That's a gimmick.

I set up a Hermes agent for our company and connected it to BigQuery, Stripe, Amplitude, etc so that our nontechnical teammates can ask and answer their own data questions via Slack. It works great! I similarly haven’t found it useful to run a bunch of these agents in developing the product, but it’s a nice interface for people who don’t live in their terminal all day.

So, Cowork?

Not being snarky, it seems to be Anthropic's value prop to "real" SMB is papering over Claude Code and agent protocol with a white collar business IDE.

Most of these "runs on a Mac Mini!" offerings seem to be "hipper than thou" variants for the LinkedInfluencer class, while Cowork is for the workplace.

There seem to be effectively zero Cowork alternatives that understand most SMB don't run on Google Workspace and Slack (or Hetzner and Telegram).

Re: Migrate from OpenClaw

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Post by joshstrange »

Multiplayer wrote: post #20

My simple take: Hermes is for the less technical and is more polished. OpenClaw is deeper with more capabilities. OpenClaw has come so far since its' original launch/craze. I recommend taking a second look if you haven't touched it in a while. If for no other reason than it's just a really fun playground with a LOT of areas to experiment in. Setup a myriad of agents with various models, skills, cron jobs, etc. The co…

I've tried Nanoclaw and Openclaw and I found them both to be steaming piles of crap. Both of them broke in record time (less than about 1 week). And yes, I tried OpenClaw from scratch just ~3 weeks ago. The config pages made my brain melt and were buggy as hell. I've never dealt with something so frustrating that has so many people pretending it's the second coming of jesus.

I just want claude code accessible through Discord (or Telegram or anything, I don't care what).

While it's _far_ from what I really want, my best setup currently is Blink Shell on iOS -> Mosh to my computer -> Run Claude Code.

Re: Migrate from OpenClaw

#90

Post by JumpCrisscross »

cassianoleal wrote: post #80
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have no idea what these three things mean without more context.

This [0] is the issue in question. teknium1 replaced the entire issue text with a dot, and NousResearch deleted a bunch of subsequent comments. Whether the claims have merit or not, attempting to make the claim go away in this way is at best unprofessional and childish. [0] https://github.com/NousResearch/hermes-agent/issues/10232

> teknium1 replaced the entire issue

I guess I’m confused about (and more concerned with) the merits of the issue.

If the merits are serious, this is a cover-up. If they’re specious, this is like forum drama. From what I can tell so far, it looks like the latter.

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