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The Korean telecom giant at the center of Anthropic's Mythos controversy

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Re: The Korean telecom giant at the center of Anthropic's Mythos controversy

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Post by jimbob45 »

wood_spirit wrote: post #23

The articles and discussion around this and the Amazon story all seem to me to be an earnest tech press and community searching for a genuine reason for the administration blocking Anthropic’s models. However, thinking back to the spat with the DoD and more generally how the administration is much more supportive - and supported by - OpenAI and XAI and it’s easy to imagine this is just another escalation in the fight…

Anthropic is liberal-leaning? Certainly right of OpenAI. Or did OpenAI really do that well at scrubbing their actions from 2020-2024?

Re: The Korean telecom giant at the center of Anthropic's Mythos controversy

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Post by Barbing »

tristanj wrote: post #26
sigmar wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fable/mythos are the first models from anthropic that hide 100% of reasoning tokens. So it seems to me like we're about to get a lot more data about to what extent Chinese model progress has been a consequence of distillation techniques.

This isn't correct, Claude hasn't displayed the raw chain of thought for any of the Claude 4 series models, which were released in May 2025. Sonnet 4.6/Opus 4.8 only display a summarized chain of thought, which is produced by a secondary model. Fable displays its summarized chain of thought in the same manner. The thinking traces disappeared because Anthropic changed them to be hidden by default. The rationale for hi…

Hidden by default should make it easier to identify who’s scraping even those summarized CoTs, I figure. Also figure it’s very expensive to summarize every single chat on the service.

Re: The Korean telecom giant at the center of Anthropic's Mythos controversy

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Post by Barbing »

embedding-shape wrote: post #21
meowface wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wired has been NY Post-tier (of the inverse polarity) for several years, now.

Is there any serious journalistic magazines/papers left nowadays? Felt like ultimately every single one of them succumbed to the chase of the clickbait in the end.

Ars Technica still fights a good fight, in spite of Conde buyout.

Re: The Korean telecom giant at the center of Anthropic's Mythos controversy

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Post by duxup »

wood_spirit wrote: post #23

The articles and discussion around this and the Amazon story all seem to me to be an earnest tech press and community searching for a genuine reason for the administration blocking Anthropic’s models. However, thinking back to the spat with the DoD and more generally how the administration is much more supportive - and supported by - OpenAI and XAI and it’s easy to imagine this is just another escalation in the fight…

Maybe as simple as pay to play, bribe solicitation. Similar thing to this administration canceling random programs.

Re: The Korean telecom giant at the center of Anthropic's Mythos controversy

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Post by Filligree »

paulsutter wrote: post #78
wood_spirit wrote: post #23

The articles and discussion around this and the Amazon story all seem to me to be an earnest tech press and community searching for a genuine reason for the administration blocking Anthropic’s models. However, thinking back to the spat with the DoD and more generally how the administration is much more supportive - and supported by - OpenAI and XAI and it’s easy to imagine this is just another escalation in the fight…

Dario (of Mythos): "Companies we gave it to said – this is a super weapon. you should have to own a gun license to use it. please don't release this" Mythos is clearly dual use (and automatically subject to export controls), even if Anthropic didn’t understand what that means. Yes this administration can be capricious and hyperpartisan. This isn’t one of those cases.

Mythos and Fable are not the same model.

Re: The Korean telecom giant at the center of Anthropic's Mythos controversy

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Post by cobolcomesback »

tristanj wrote: post #3

This whole Fable 5 controversy will look quite silly once China releases a comparable model in six months.

How so? The fact that China is going to launch a comparable model soon is the whole point of what’s happening now. Everyone knows there are going to be open models soon that have the same capabilities - Anthropic has literally said so. The restrictions now are to buy time to patch the security issues before those Chinese models are made available to the whole world.

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Post by inigyou »

tristanj wrote: post #54
khalic wrote: post #50

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You're talking like it's business as usual. None of these companies had anything similar to this retaliation

Microsoft had it worse. Bill Gates was openly hostile and dismissive of the US government during Microsoft's anti-trust investigation, he believed anti-trust law was illegitimate and shouldn't apply to tech companies. He did not take the investigation seriously and repeatedly argued with investigators in his court deposition. In response, Microsoft got raked over the coals by the government, the company was almost br…

There's a difference between ignoring the government while you're blatantly breaking the law and they're suing you for it, and not proactively reaching out to the government while they're breaking the law.

Re: The Korean telecom giant at the center of Anthropic's Mythos controversy

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Post by inigyou »

jcgrillo wrote: post #37
wood_spirit wrote: post #23

The articles and discussion around this and the Amazon story all seem to me to be an earnest tech press and community searching for a genuine reason for the administration blocking Anthropic’s models. However, thinking back to the spat with the DoD and more generally how the administration is much more supportive - and supported by - OpenAI and XAI and it’s easy to imagine this is just another escalation in the fight…

It smells an awful lot like the government is trying to pick a winner. Or, at least, a loser.

It would be a lot more believable this was pure corruption if it didn't come right after anthropic said mythos was a super weapon.

Re: The Korean telecom giant at the center of Anthropic's Mythos controversy

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Post by jcgrillo »

inigyou wrote: post #88
jcgrillo wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It smells an awful lot like the government is trying to pick a winner. Or, at least, a loser.

It would be a lot more believable this was pure corruption if it didn't come right after anthropic said mythos was a super weapon.

From another angle that's maybe just a welcome excuse? Or it's some kind of more symbiotic malfeasance? Any way you slice it, it stinks. If it is actually about some misguided attempt at public safety or national security, what could possibly be the actual goal?

Re: The Korean telecom giant at the center of Anthropic's Mythos controversy

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Post by matheusmoreira »

Danox wrote: post #46
tristanj wrote: post #30

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Anthropic is going through the classic Ideological Resistance phase where they fight with the government on principles, that every major tech company also went through. Google, Facebook, Apple, Reddit, Microsoft (especially Microsoft) all had this phase. Then the companies realize fighting the US government is a lot of effort, expensive and creates a lot of drama, and it's easier to reach a mutual understanding.

They should’ve kept their distance from the government as long as they could don’t volunteer to be helpful. Don’t volunteer to go meet with politicians keep as low profile as you can for as long as you can. Nothing good comes with associating with them. Have a legal department trained to be the buffer between you and the government any contact any questions goes through them and since you’re paying them a ton of mone…

I'm not sure tech companies were ever like that, but even if they were, that world is long gone by now.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2024/10/14/silicon-valley...

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